1 00:00:06,963 --> 00:00:13,103 ♪ 2 00:00:13,230 --> 00:00:14,540 [shutter snapping] 3 00:00:14,666 --> 00:00:18,106 - This American carnage stops 4 00:00:18,235 --> 00:00:19,575 right here 5 00:00:19,715 --> 00:00:23,325 and stops right now. 6 00:00:23,458 --> 00:00:25,158 - His presidency, and the lead-up 7 00:00:25,286 --> 00:00:27,236 to his presidency, will be studied 8 00:00:27,375 --> 00:00:30,155 for the rest of American history. 9 00:00:30,291 --> 00:00:32,951 Donald Trump is a street fighter. 10 00:00:33,076 --> 00:00:36,206 ♪ 11 00:00:36,340 --> 00:00:39,870 - When you think of how we started in 2015, 12 00:00:39,996 --> 00:00:41,906 he understood where America was going 13 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,092 to some degree before America did. 14 00:00:44,218 --> 00:00:45,998 - Over the years, I've surprised 15 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:47,703 a lot of people. The biggest surprise 16 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:49,830 is yet to come. 17 00:00:49,962 --> 00:00:52,402 - I used to think that Donald Trump 18 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:55,140 really understood the zeitgeist of the nation. 19 00:00:55,272 --> 00:00:56,622 - You're fired. You're fired. 20 00:00:56,752 --> 00:00:58,192 You're fired. - Now I realized 21 00:00:58,319 --> 00:00:59,929 he is the zeitgeist. 22 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:02,150 ♪ 23 00:01:02,279 --> 00:01:05,149 - There was virtually not a person on the planet 24 00:01:05,282 --> 00:01:07,242 who didn't know who Donald Trump was. 25 00:01:07,371 --> 00:01:09,631 - To listen to this-- it's just so ridiculous. 26 00:01:09,765 --> 00:01:10,975 - There's a toughness to him. 27 00:01:11,114 --> 00:01:12,594 I mean, he can take a lot of bullets. 28 00:01:12,724 --> 00:01:14,164 He can catch bullets in his teeth. 29 00:01:14,291 --> 00:01:16,861 - Donald Trump is a survivor. 30 00:01:16,989 --> 00:01:18,469 - He comes as advertised. 31 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,780 It can be disgusting, 32 00:01:19,905 --> 00:01:23,255 but there is a genius to it. 33 00:01:23,387 --> 00:01:24,867 - I don't think people change. 34 00:01:24,997 --> 00:01:27,127 I'm a very big believer in the fact 35 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:29,131 that when you are a certain way, 36 00:01:29,263 --> 00:01:30,963 that's the way you are. 37 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:32,131 I love to fight. 38 00:01:32,265 --> 00:01:34,565 I always loved to fight. 39 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:37,623 My father was a very tough man. 40 00:01:41,926 --> 00:01:47,186 ♪ 41 00:01:47,324 --> 00:01:48,284 - Okay? 42 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:50,022 Whenever you're ready. 43 00:01:50,152 --> 00:01:53,162 ♪ 44 00:01:53,287 --> 00:01:54,717 - There's a clear through line 45 00:01:54,853 --> 00:01:56,073 that's passed down 46 00:01:56,203 --> 00:01:57,943 from generation to generation. 47 00:01:58,074 --> 00:02:01,084 - If you become a power broker in Manhattan, 48 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:03,688 you are the man. 49 00:02:03,819 --> 00:02:05,779 - Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. 50 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:07,868 His name is his power. 51 00:02:07,997 --> 00:02:09,607 - Do whatever you have to do. 52 00:02:09,738 --> 00:02:11,778 You say whatever you have to say. 53 00:02:11,914 --> 00:02:13,134 Winning is everything. 54 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:16,833 ♪ 55 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:19,662 - I think that to understand Donald Trump, 56 00:02:19,791 --> 00:02:21,921 you really have to go back to the beginning. 57 00:02:22,054 --> 00:02:28,974 ♪ 58 00:02:54,086 --> 00:02:56,916 [metal creaking] 59 00:02:57,046 --> 00:03:04,046 ♪ 60 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:06,012 - Please watch your step. 61 00:03:06,142 --> 00:03:07,142 ♪ 62 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:09,584 Okay. - [laughs] 63 00:03:09,711 --> 00:03:11,891 - This is called, uh, "topping out," right? 64 00:03:12,017 --> 00:03:12,977 - This is called topping out. 65 00:03:13,105 --> 00:03:14,535 - I--see how much I know? 66 00:03:14,672 --> 00:03:15,762 [laughs] - Let's grab a handshake. 67 00:03:15,891 --> 00:03:16,721 - Sure. How you doing, Don? 68 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:18,198 - Good. 69 00:03:18,328 --> 00:03:20,288 [somber music] 70 00:03:20,417 --> 00:03:22,287 They can live in Houston, they can live in Paris, 71 00:03:22,419 --> 00:03:23,769 they can live anywhere in the world. 72 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:25,289 Many of these very wealthy people 73 00:03:25,422 --> 00:03:27,212 have chosen Trump Tower, and I think 74 00:03:27,337 --> 00:03:29,167 it's a very important step for New York. 75 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:30,986 I think it's a vital step for New York. 76 00:03:31,123 --> 00:03:33,913 [applause] 77 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:40,959 ♪ 78 00:03:45,007 --> 00:03:46,567 - Trump Tower is nothing 79 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:48,754 if not a symbol 80 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,670 that winning is everything. 81 00:03:50,795 --> 00:03:53,575 ♪ 82 00:03:53,711 --> 00:03:55,711 - Trump Tower was really 83 00:03:55,844 --> 00:03:57,764 the thing that put him on the map in so many ways. 84 00:03:57,889 --> 00:03:59,059 It won him recognition 85 00:03:59,195 --> 00:04:01,195 and even honor 86 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:03,328 and brought him to a level 87 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:05,590 that he thought had not been possible 88 00:04:05,723 --> 00:04:07,253 for his family to date. 89 00:04:07,377 --> 00:04:09,677 - And by the way, uh, he is a chip 90 00:04:09,814 --> 00:04:10,954 off the old block. 91 00:04:11,076 --> 00:04:12,116 - This is my father, Fred Trump. 92 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,472 - Right. 93 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:14,731 - He was able to surpass 94 00:04:14,863 --> 00:04:16,213 his very demanding father, 95 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:18,043 leaving behind Brooklyn and Queens 96 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:20,130 and taking over New York. 97 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:21,740 ♪ 98 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:24,260 But this was not the beginning. 99 00:04:24,394 --> 00:04:26,664 The Trump family saga 100 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:28,568 starts much earlier on. 101 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,012 - All right, so you know I'm trying 102 00:04:32,141 --> 00:04:33,581 to march you through your life. 103 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:35,317 - I'm not in the past. - Yeah. 104 00:04:35,449 --> 00:04:36,669 - I'm--I'm a person that thinks to the future. 105 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:38,448 - That's--that's the thing, is-- 106 00:04:38,582 --> 00:04:39,582 - I just don't like wasting time on the past. 107 00:04:39,714 --> 00:04:41,154 ♪ 108 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:42,671 - Other people do have to know 109 00:04:42,804 --> 00:04:43,984 about how you got here. 110 00:04:44,109 --> 00:04:45,629 - I'm never in the past. 111 00:04:45,763 --> 00:04:46,903 - Right, I know, I know. 112 00:04:47,025 --> 00:04:49,065 - In 2014, 113 00:04:49,201 --> 00:04:51,861 I did four sit-down interviews 114 00:04:51,987 --> 00:04:52,807 with Donald Trump. 115 00:04:52,944 --> 00:04:54,514 ♪ 116 00:04:54,642 --> 00:04:56,122 I wanted to know 117 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:58,692 how was it that this kid from Queens 118 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:01,040 turned himself into the character 119 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:03,170 that became the Donald Trump we know? 120 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:04,913 Uh, let me see if I can-- 121 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:05,963 - I don't like talking about the past. 122 00:05:06,088 --> 00:05:08,218 Past is over. 123 00:05:08,351 --> 00:05:10,141 No, I don't want to think about it. 124 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:11,696 I don't like to think too much of the past... 125 00:05:11,833 --> 00:05:13,103 - All right, well-- - Other than-- 126 00:05:13,225 --> 00:05:15,655 other than-- this is very important-- 127 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:17,843 I learn from the past. 128 00:05:17,969 --> 00:05:24,279 ♪ 129 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:27,151 - Donald's grandfather, Friedrich Trump, 130 00:05:27,283 --> 00:05:29,633 came to the United States in 1885. 131 00:05:29,764 --> 00:05:32,854 He was 16. 132 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:36,864 He came from a wine-producing small village in Germany, 133 00:05:36,988 --> 00:05:39,948 but wasn't content to stay there. 134 00:05:40,078 --> 00:05:41,728 - In the middle of the night, 135 00:05:41,863 --> 00:05:43,783 he writes a letter and leaves it for his mom, 136 00:05:43,908 --> 00:05:44,948 and in the morning, he is gone. 137 00:05:45,082 --> 00:05:46,172 ♪ 138 00:05:46,302 --> 00:05:47,702 - For Friedrich, 139 00:05:47,825 --> 00:05:49,475 the goal was to really become 140 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,830 a wealthy man. 141 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,270 - Railroads were advertising every day, 142 00:05:54,397 --> 00:05:56,967 "Buy a ticket to fortune. 143 00:05:57,095 --> 00:05:59,875 Buy a ticket west." 144 00:06:00,011 --> 00:06:02,271 - Friedrich took off for the Northwest, 145 00:06:02,405 --> 00:06:04,705 the last part of the physical frontier, 146 00:06:04,842 --> 00:06:06,632 where things were wide open, 147 00:06:06,757 --> 00:06:08,537 and a young man with a lot of energy 148 00:06:08,672 --> 00:06:10,412 might be able to do very well. 149 00:06:10,544 --> 00:06:11,944 ♪ 150 00:06:12,067 --> 00:06:14,067 Word began to circulate 151 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:15,849 of a mining town 152 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:17,074 just getting going 153 00:06:17,202 --> 00:06:18,552 northeast of Seattle, 154 00:06:18,682 --> 00:06:20,122 called Monte Cristo, 155 00:06:20,249 --> 00:06:22,029 being bankrolled, of all things, 156 00:06:22,164 --> 00:06:24,604 by John D. Rockefeller. 157 00:06:24,732 --> 00:06:26,692 - Rockefeller is, of course, 158 00:06:26,821 --> 00:06:28,211 this living emblem 159 00:06:28,344 --> 00:06:30,134 of success in America, 160 00:06:30,259 --> 00:06:31,829 and so, if John D. Rockefeller 161 00:06:31,956 --> 00:06:33,866 says, "My engineers have discovered 162 00:06:34,002 --> 00:06:36,922 there's this great vein of silver ore," 163 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:38,828 well, off you go. 164 00:06:38,963 --> 00:06:40,793 ♪ 165 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:43,322 All you had to do to stake a claim 166 00:06:43,446 --> 00:06:45,926 was declare that you had struck silver 167 00:06:46,057 --> 00:06:47,227 on a piece of land, 168 00:06:47,363 --> 00:06:48,763 and it was yours to work, 169 00:06:48,886 --> 00:06:50,236 and no one else could have it. 170 00:06:50,366 --> 00:06:52,716 In Friedrichs's case, 171 00:06:52,847 --> 00:06:54,367 he announced that he had found something 172 00:06:54,501 --> 00:06:57,161 when he hadn't even dug a single hole. 173 00:06:57,286 --> 00:06:59,456 - He had no intention of mining, 174 00:06:59,593 --> 00:07:00,593 and he, in fact, 175 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:03,074 instead built a hotel. 176 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:06,075 He looked at the world that he had come into 177 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:07,948 and figured out where there was an opening 178 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:09,169 and figured out how to do it. 179 00:07:09,298 --> 00:07:11,338 He was very savvy about that. 180 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:13,044 ♪ 181 00:07:13,171 --> 00:07:15,611 He set himself up to mine the miners, 182 00:07:15,739 --> 00:07:18,089 providing food, fine dining, 183 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:21,270 and... 184 00:07:21,397 --> 00:07:23,617 - There is a wonderful euphemism 185 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:25,707 called "Rooms for ladies." 186 00:07:25,836 --> 00:07:29,266 - Pretty much of a code word for prostitutes. 187 00:07:29,405 --> 00:07:31,925 - There were prostitutes hanging out in the bar, 188 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:33,670 and, uh, any man 189 00:07:33,801 --> 00:07:36,241 who wanted to take a hooker upstairs-- 190 00:07:36,368 --> 00:07:37,718 there were rooms available. 191 00:07:37,848 --> 00:07:39,678 ♪ 192 00:07:39,807 --> 00:07:41,717 [jaunty music] 193 00:07:41,852 --> 00:07:44,202 - Friedrich was supremely ambitious, 194 00:07:44,332 --> 00:07:46,472 was willing to do whatever it took 195 00:07:46,596 --> 00:07:47,676 in order to get ahead. 196 00:07:47,815 --> 00:07:54,645 ♪ 197 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,129 - In 1897, 198 00:07:57,259 --> 00:07:59,999 a ship came into Seattle 199 00:08:00,131 --> 00:08:01,611 laden with gold 200 00:08:01,742 --> 00:08:04,882 from the gold fields of the Yukon. 201 00:08:05,006 --> 00:08:07,356 - These men stagger off 202 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,577 onto dry land, 203 00:08:09,706 --> 00:08:12,266 but they can barely walk down the gangplank 204 00:08:12,404 --> 00:08:15,764 because of their sacks and bags of gold, 205 00:08:15,886 --> 00:08:18,976 and that set off the Yukon gold rush. 206 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:20,537 Friedrich thought 207 00:08:20,674 --> 00:08:22,464 "I want a share of the action." 208 00:08:22,589 --> 00:08:24,679 ♪ 209 00:08:24,808 --> 00:08:26,898 - Friedrich makes his way 210 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:29,638 to the Yukon. 211 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:31,030 Like everybody else, 212 00:08:31,162 --> 00:08:32,162 it's by foot, 213 00:08:32,294 --> 00:08:34,164 an astonishing journey 214 00:08:34,296 --> 00:08:35,556 up mountain passes, 215 00:08:35,688 --> 00:08:37,388 single file-- 216 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,607 was an extremely arduous, 217 00:08:39,736 --> 00:08:41,906 difficult, life-threatening situation. 218 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:47,053 ♪ 219 00:08:47,178 --> 00:08:48,828 - The White Pass trail-- 220 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:50,923 you could have horses on it, 221 00:08:51,052 --> 00:08:54,142 and horses could pull loads over, 222 00:08:54,272 --> 00:08:56,102 but these miners had no idea 223 00:08:56,231 --> 00:08:59,151 what that, in fact, involved. 224 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:01,147 The horses were completely unsuitable 225 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,589 for the absolutely grim conditions, 226 00:09:03,717 --> 00:09:05,067 and they died on the trail, 227 00:09:05,196 --> 00:09:06,756 or they fell and broke their legs, 228 00:09:06,894 --> 00:09:08,554 or their owners simply shot them 229 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:11,158 because they couldn't go any further. 230 00:09:11,289 --> 00:09:13,729 There was a terrifying piece of that trail 231 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:16,157 called the Dead Horse Gulch, 232 00:09:16,294 --> 00:09:18,084 which was packed solid 233 00:09:18,209 --> 00:09:20,779 with dead horseflesh. 234 00:09:20,908 --> 00:09:23,908 In fact, one of the miners who went up that trail said 235 00:09:24,041 --> 00:09:26,171 that you could've just laid all the horses end-to-end, 236 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:28,794 and you would've been walking over dead horseflesh 237 00:09:28,916 --> 00:09:31,396 for 50 miles. 238 00:09:31,527 --> 00:09:32,877 - But for Friedrich, 239 00:09:33,007 --> 00:09:35,657 it was an opportunity. 240 00:09:35,792 --> 00:09:38,622 He had tent restaurants along the way, 241 00:09:38,752 --> 00:09:42,282 and where would you get fresh meat? 242 00:09:42,407 --> 00:09:45,927 What do these people need? They need food. 243 00:09:46,063 --> 00:09:49,943 So he uses those dead horses, 244 00:09:50,067 --> 00:09:51,977 and serves up horse burgers, 245 00:09:52,113 --> 00:09:55,603 serves up horse steaks. 246 00:09:55,725 --> 00:09:57,985 ♪ 247 00:09:58,119 --> 00:09:59,819 - Friedrich arrives in Bennett 248 00:09:59,947 --> 00:10:01,907 with all of his guile 249 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:03,816 and all of his resourcefulness intac, 250 00:10:03,951 --> 00:10:05,741 and he is ready to go into business. 251 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:07,346 ♪ 252 00:10:07,476 --> 00:10:08,956 - Bennett was a newly-built town 253 00:10:09,086 --> 00:10:10,516 that was thrown up by people 254 00:10:10,653 --> 00:10:13,353 on the way to the gold fields. 255 00:10:13,482 --> 00:10:16,352 - Bennett was a very savvy place to be, 256 00:10:16,485 --> 00:10:19,655 because all the miners had to come through Bennett, 257 00:10:19,793 --> 00:10:21,803 so there was always gonna be traffic. 258 00:10:21,925 --> 00:10:24,095 ♪ 259 00:10:24,232 --> 00:10:26,232 - He establishes himself, 260 00:10:26,364 --> 00:10:28,154 builds his hotel-restaurant. 261 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:29,669 ♪ 262 00:10:29,803 --> 00:10:31,283 - It's filled, it's bustling, 263 00:10:31,413 --> 00:10:33,893 and apparently, the best restaurant in town. 264 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:35,504 That's what the press accounts said. 265 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,285 ♪ 266 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:39,639 - But he hears there's a railway being built 267 00:10:39,769 --> 00:10:42,159 to a place further down the river 268 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:45,043 called Whitehorse, which, at that stage, 269 00:10:45,165 --> 00:10:46,645 was barely more than a couple of buildings. 270 00:10:46,776 --> 00:10:48,126 ♪ 271 00:10:48,256 --> 00:10:49,776 - Friedrich knows 272 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:52,520 that Bennett would be bypassed. 273 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,702 Now, what's his response to this? 274 00:10:54,828 --> 00:10:57,398 ♪ 275 00:10:57,526 --> 00:11:03,096 It is to put his restaurant and hotel on a raft 276 00:11:03,227 --> 00:11:05,967 and float it down the river to Whitehorse. 277 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,670 ♪ 278 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:09,277 [train horn blows] 279 00:11:09,407 --> 00:11:11,927 - By the time the train arrived there, 280 00:11:12,062 --> 00:11:15,502 he had a restaurant, a hotel there. 281 00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:17,201 Of course, that means 282 00:11:17,328 --> 00:11:19,158 that he's in on the ground floor 283 00:11:19,287 --> 00:11:21,857 and makes a fortune really fast. 284 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:24,765 - I don't think, given Friedrich's character, 285 00:11:24,901 --> 00:11:26,951 anything else is going to happen. 286 00:11:27,077 --> 00:11:29,947 This is a guy of consummate ambition. 287 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,130 ♪ 288 00:11:34,258 --> 00:11:35,958 - And he must have led a wild life, 289 00:11:36,086 --> 00:11:37,216 'cause you can imagine-- - Right. 290 00:11:37,348 --> 00:11:39,048 - He owned a one-room hotel, 291 00:11:39,176 --> 00:11:40,656 and he'd move the hotel. He'd take it down-- 292 00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:42,267 - Oh, yeah, and float it on a barge. 293 00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:43,957 - And float it on a barge and then move it 294 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:45,184 to a better area. - And they served 295 00:11:45,313 --> 00:11:46,753 more than food, 296 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,360 'cause-- - Right, right, right. 297 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:50,100 - You could satisfy all your appetites. 298 00:11:50,231 --> 00:11:52,021 - He must have led some wild life. 299 00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:53,836 - Booze, beds, and women. 300 00:11:53,974 --> 00:11:55,804 - Right, and se-- - But he got rich. 301 00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:57,502 - It had to be, uh-- but he did well. 302 00:11:57,629 --> 00:11:59,109 - Yeah. - And he was-- 303 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,890 he was a great guy, from what I hear. 304 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:02,464 I mean, he was--he was-- must have been terrific. 305 00:12:02,591 --> 00:12:06,551 ♪ 306 00:12:06,682 --> 00:12:08,772 - In his early '30s, 307 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:11,172 Friedrich goes back to Germany, 308 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:13,905 and he has a few things on his mind. 309 00:12:14,037 --> 00:12:15,597 ♪ 310 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,955 One is to find a wife. 311 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:22,176 He's looking for a lovely German woman 312 00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:23,656 to marry, and he discovers 313 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:25,436 Elizabeth Christ. 314 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,090 ♪ 315 00:12:27,224 --> 00:12:28,754 The two fall in love 316 00:12:28,878 --> 00:12:31,008 and were eventually married. 317 00:12:31,141 --> 00:12:34,141 [somber music] 318 00:12:34,275 --> 00:12:38,755 In 1905, they return to New York. 319 00:12:38,888 --> 00:12:40,798 She's carrying her son, 320 00:12:40,934 --> 00:12:42,074 Donald's father, 321 00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:44,676 Fredrick. 322 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:46,767 Friedrich is not going to operate 323 00:12:46,896 --> 00:12:50,676 a saloon-slash-restaurant- slash-house of ill repute. 324 00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:52,823 He is going to become a businessman, 325 00:12:52,946 --> 00:12:54,596 and his business is going to be real estate. 326 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:56,820 ♪ 327 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,560 Friedrich is looking out 328 00:12:58,690 --> 00:13:00,340 on the world that is New York City 329 00:13:00,475 --> 00:13:04,035 and searching for a frontier. 330 00:13:04,174 --> 00:13:07,054 Just as there was a railroad being built to Whitehorse, 331 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,567 in the Yukon, 332 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,180 he sees that the place to be 333 00:13:10,311 --> 00:13:12,751 is Queens. 334 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:14,659 The frontier is going to be reached 335 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:17,494 by the Queensboro Bridge. 336 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:19,062 This is a mighty edifice 337 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:21,979 that is going to literally open up 338 00:13:22,105 --> 00:13:24,535 to the crush of people 339 00:13:24,673 --> 00:13:28,023 interested in the suburbs. 340 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:30,235 The people need homes, 341 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:33,734 and he decides that it's a wonderful opportunity 342 00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:35,726 for the real estate man on the make. 343 00:13:35,858 --> 00:13:40,168 ♪ 344 00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:45,867 ♪ 345 00:13:45,999 --> 00:13:48,479 - In the spring of 1918, 346 00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:51,660 young Fred, Donald's father, is 12 years old. 347 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:53,477 ♪ 348 00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:56,705 He went out for a walk with his father. 349 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:58,446 As they're walking along, 350 00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:01,226 his father says he's not feeling well... 351 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:02,802 ♪ 352 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:05,109 And within hours, 353 00:14:05,235 --> 00:14:06,105 he's died. 354 00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:08,196 ♪ 355 00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:10,235 Eventually, it becomes clear 356 00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:11,501 that what's killed him 357 00:14:11,633 --> 00:14:13,293 was the influenza epidemic 358 00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,287 that's sweeping the country in 1918 359 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:18,380 and has claimed millions of lives. 360 00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:20,509 [desolate music] 361 00:14:20,642 --> 00:14:22,562 - you can imagine the sense of siege 362 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:24,387 and worry 363 00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:26,995 about how you were going to survive. 364 00:14:27,127 --> 00:14:29,907 Fred--he was the oldest son, and as the oldest son, 365 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:31,873 he had to step into this role 366 00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:33,831 and take care of things. 367 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,270 - Of course, their lives were drastically changed. 368 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:39,268 - Fred Trump Sr.'s experience 369 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,320 was in some ways, a classic, uh, 370 00:14:41,445 --> 00:14:42,925 borough ethnic, uh, story. 371 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:44,666 His childhood was foreshortened, 372 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:46,316 so he worked hard, 373 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:47,760 and that kind of an upbringing 374 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:49,187 can make you, or it can break you. 375 00:14:49,323 --> 00:14:50,723 It made him. 376 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:52,366 - My father was the greatest, 377 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:53,460 'cause he taught me everything. 378 00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:54,718 He was very knowledgeable. 379 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:55,940 He was a very smart guy. 380 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:57,459 He was a very good negotiator, 381 00:14:57,592 --> 00:15:00,382 and he taught me a lot, 382 00:15:00,508 --> 00:15:03,118 and I learned a lot from my father, from Fred. 383 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:07,730 ♪ 384 00:15:07,863 --> 00:15:09,693 - At the age of 17, 385 00:15:09,821 --> 00:15:11,951 Fred built his first home. 386 00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:13,955 He took the profits from that to build another, 387 00:15:14,087 --> 00:15:15,437 and the profits from that for another, 388 00:15:15,566 --> 00:15:16,826 and pretty soon, the family business 389 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,659 was taking off. 390 00:15:19,788 --> 00:15:21,398 ♪ 391 00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:22,879 - At the height of the Depression, 1934, 392 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:24,749 with a good deal of homelessness, 393 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,490 the federal government 394 00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:28,361 is trying to address this issue by creating 395 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:30,582 the Federal Housing Administration. 396 00:15:30,712 --> 00:15:32,372 - The Congress has made it easier 397 00:15:32,496 --> 00:15:35,276 for private capital to build modest homes 398 00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:37,112 and low-rental dwellings. 399 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,290 - By seeding all this money, 400 00:15:39,415 --> 00:15:41,375 by backing all these loans, 401 00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:44,595 the FHA creates this whirlwind of development. 402 00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:47,816 ♪ 403 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:49,637 - This was the beginning 404 00:15:49,774 --> 00:15:51,524 of the Trump empire. 405 00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:54,256 - The FHA would be responsible 406 00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:55,908 for the funding 407 00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:57,702 of some of Fred's biggest projects. 408 00:15:57,826 --> 00:15:59,386 ♪ 409 00:15:59,523 --> 00:16:02,573 Without the FHA, there is no Fred Trump. 410 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,400 - From the beginning of the FHA 411 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,488 until the end of the 1930s, 412 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,527 he built thousands of homes. 413 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:10,533 He was touted as the Henry Ford 414 00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:13,755 of home-building at one point, 415 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:16,105 because he had figured out how to do this 416 00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:17,586 as economically as possible. 417 00:16:17,715 --> 00:16:24,765 ♪ 418 00:16:25,549 --> 00:16:27,199 - Donald Trump grew up in a part of Queens 419 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:29,424 called Jamaica Estates, 420 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:31,603 which is not what we generally think of 421 00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:33,299 when we think of the boroughs in New York City. 422 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:34,597 ♪ 423 00:16:34,732 --> 00:16:36,602 - Donald's house, 424 00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:38,694 the first time I saw it in Jamaica Estates, 425 00:16:38,823 --> 00:16:40,303 was huge. 426 00:16:40,434 --> 00:16:42,524 ♪ 427 00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:47,573 It had six giant, white, two-story pillars, 428 00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:51,272 and had an under-the-house garage. 429 00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:53,711 - 23 rooms 430 00:16:53,838 --> 00:16:58,408 and even a kind of coat of arms over the doo. 431 00:16:58,539 --> 00:17:01,319 - I was incredibly blown away. 432 00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:02,845 Today, I could say 433 00:17:02,978 --> 00:17:04,108 it was a mega-mansion. 434 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,550 ♪ 435 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,250 - Donald Trump is the middle of three boys 436 00:17:11,377 --> 00:17:13,597 in a family of five children, 437 00:17:13,728 --> 00:17:16,078 and his older brother, Freddy, 438 00:17:16,209 --> 00:17:18,339 was kind of his hero. 439 00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:19,862 He was the sibling that Donald Trump 440 00:17:19,994 --> 00:17:22,354 looked up to the most. 441 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,256 - He was such an amazing guy, 442 00:17:24,391 --> 00:17:25,701 and the best personality, 443 00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:28,567 best-looking guy you'll ever see, and... 444 00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:30,879 he was smart. - Yeah. 445 00:17:31,006 --> 00:17:32,046 - He had everything, but he was 446 00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,661 a very handsome guy. 447 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:38,412 - He was a guy with a great sense of humor, 448 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:40,795 always fun to be around. 449 00:17:40,929 --> 00:17:44,799 ♪ 450 00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:48,023 We went to the Trump house often, 451 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:51,334 but we never went through the front door. 452 00:17:51,461 --> 00:17:52,681 We always went through the garage, 453 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,460 because Mr. Trump 454 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:57,725 would rather not have us around. 455 00:17:57,859 --> 00:18:01,299 I think he just thought that, uh, 456 00:18:01,428 --> 00:18:03,868 Fred was wasting his time with friends 457 00:18:03,995 --> 00:18:06,555 and should be doing more serious things. 458 00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:09,004 ♪ 459 00:18:09,131 --> 00:18:11,661 - In the 1950s, the Trumps are one 460 00:18:11,786 --> 00:18:14,616 of the wealthiest families in America. 461 00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:17,305 Fred Sr. set the standard, 462 00:18:17,444 --> 00:18:18,794 set the expectations, 463 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:20,753 and they were very high. 464 00:18:20,882 --> 00:18:23,322 This was not a "let's go out in the backyard 465 00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:25,100 and play catch" kind of dad. 466 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,504 This was a "do as I say," 467 00:18:27,628 --> 00:18:30,758 tough, old-fashioned father. 468 00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:33,292 Donald Trump was taught 469 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,376 that life is a competition. 470 00:18:35,505 --> 00:18:38,115 You must win. You must be tough. 471 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:39,637 ♪ 472 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:41,290 - Fred Trump saw the world 473 00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:43,254 as one of winners and losers, 474 00:18:43,383 --> 00:18:45,733 a very binary approach to life, 475 00:18:45,863 --> 00:18:47,953 and he impressed upon his children 476 00:18:48,083 --> 00:18:50,693 the idea that they simply had to be winners. 477 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:54,255 - His father was a brutal man. 478 00:18:54,394 --> 00:18:56,534 I think that Donald 479 00:18:56,657 --> 00:18:59,177 got used to being treated 480 00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,532 in a totally businesslike 481 00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:03,102 and transactional way. 482 00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:04,399 He himself describes 483 00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:06,104 the relationship with his father 484 00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,192 as businesslike. 485 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,500 - To the boys, he says, 486 00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:10,495 "You are killers and you are kings." 487 00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:12,717 ♪ 488 00:19:12,847 --> 00:19:16,197 Fred means "kings by divine right." 489 00:19:16,329 --> 00:19:19,509 There is a sense in the Trump family 490 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:23,636 that we are genetically superior. 491 00:19:23,771 --> 00:19:25,691 - I think you have a natural ability 492 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,506 at things. I'm a big believer in--in-- 493 00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:30,304 - Nature. - No, n-not nature. 494 00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:31,870 I'm a big believer in natural ability. 495 00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:33,736 Genetically, some people 496 00:19:33,868 --> 00:19:36,438 can handle pressure better than others. 497 00:19:36,566 --> 00:19:39,306 I knew numerous people that committed suicide. 498 00:19:39,439 --> 00:19:41,439 So the one thing I learned about myself, 499 00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:44,311 uh, is that I have a very unique ability 500 00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:46,664 to handle pressure. Honestly, in my opinion, 501 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:49,624 that's a genetic thing. People don't know about me-- 502 00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:51,543 I have very low blood pressure. 503 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:52,968 I have the blood pressure of a great athlete. 504 00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:55,634 I have very low blood pressure. 505 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:57,199 ♪ 506 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,756 - There is a real belief 507 00:19:59,894 --> 00:20:03,204 that Trumps are destined to rule, 508 00:20:03,332 --> 00:20:05,552 and they got the message, 509 00:20:05,682 --> 00:20:08,212 and the message was that you were supposed to prevail 510 00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:09,727 at all costs. 511 00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:11,730 ♪ 512 00:20:11,862 --> 00:20:14,002 - Fred Trump, Jr. would talk 513 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:16,905 about wanting to go into the family business 514 00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:19,871 because of his admiration for his father, 515 00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:22,741 and was very, very clear 516 00:20:22,873 --> 00:20:27,623 that he wanted to be the next head of the company. 517 00:20:27,748 --> 00:20:29,708 - Donald was not the young man 518 00:20:29,837 --> 00:20:31,447 destined to fulfill 519 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:34,618 the job of running the Trump Organization. 520 00:20:34,755 --> 00:20:37,795 - But he refused to be ignored. 521 00:20:37,932 --> 00:20:39,852 He was the kid that the family 522 00:20:39,977 --> 00:20:41,847 had to pay attention to, 523 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:44,499 if only because he was an enormous discipline problem. 524 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:47,554 ♪ 525 00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:49,731 - Donald and I were cutups in school. 526 00:20:49,857 --> 00:20:52,337 We used to throw spitballs at each other 527 00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:55,598 and play bumper chairs in class, 528 00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:57,952 pull girls' hair, 529 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:00,692 and that's how come we got detentions, 530 00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,834 which I politely nicknamed 531 00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:04,697 as DTs-- 532 00:21:04,828 --> 00:21:07,398 detentions for Donny Trump. 533 00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:10,917 - He was someone who, uh, acted out at school. 534 00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:13,102 - Birthday parties, he would grab the cake 535 00:21:13,228 --> 00:21:14,398 and throw it around. 536 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,884 - He was angry. He would glue 537 00:21:17,014 --> 00:21:19,584 his brothers' and sisters' blocks together. 538 00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:22,503 - He was disliked by many of his teachers. 539 00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:24,109 - Threw erasers around, 540 00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:26,459 actually hit his teacher under the eye with one. 541 00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:29,459 - He took pride in being, uh, this tough guy 542 00:21:29,592 --> 00:21:31,422 who pushed back against other kids, 543 00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:32,941 or against teachers who would try to tell him 544 00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:34,214 what to do. 545 00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,336 ♪ 546 00:21:36,469 --> 00:21:38,379 - He was, in short, 547 00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:39,604 a terror. 548 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,693 ♪ 549 00:21:41,822 --> 00:21:43,742 - I was a very, um, rebellious kind of person. 550 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:45,957 I don't like to talk about it, actually, 551 00:21:46,087 --> 00:21:47,777 but I was a very rebellious person, 552 00:21:47,915 --> 00:21:51,695 and, um, very set in my ways. 553 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:53,532 - I don't like that guy. 554 00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:54,660 ♪ 555 00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:56,231 - Loved to fight. 556 00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:57,838 I always loved to fight. 557 00:21:57,968 --> 00:21:59,408 All types of fights. 558 00:21:59,535 --> 00:22:00,705 Any kind of fight, I loved it, 559 00:22:00,841 --> 00:22:02,581 including physical, 560 00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:04,322 and I was always the best athlete, 561 00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:05,723 some--something that nobody knew about me. 562 00:22:05,846 --> 00:22:07,536 ♪ 563 00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:08,984 - Okay, throw the ball. 564 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:11,160 - During this period, "West Side Story" 565 00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:12,806 was big on Broadway, 566 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:14,460 and was soon to become a movie. 567 00:22:14,594 --> 00:22:16,074 - All right! 568 00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:20,954 ♪ 569 00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:22,988 - The Sharks and the Jets 570 00:22:23,124 --> 00:22:26,874 were in the imaginations of kids in New York City. 571 00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:28,557 - As Donald tells the story, 572 00:22:28,695 --> 00:22:31,175 after he had seen "West Side Story," 573 00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:33,346 he and his buddy 574 00:22:33,482 --> 00:22:34,612 bought themselves some switchblades. 575 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:36,314 ♪ 576 00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,272 - Donald wants everyone to believe 577 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,010 that he's a tough guy. 578 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:42,401 He promoted this image of himself. 579 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,095 "I'm gonna play with knives. 580 00:22:44,232 --> 00:22:46,842 I'm gonna do things that nobody else does." 581 00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:49,414 He was impossible to control. 582 00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:51,672 ♪ 583 00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,885 - Then his dad found the switchblades, 584 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,554 and that was the last straw. 585 00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:57,378 ♪ 586 00:22:57,506 --> 00:23:00,986 - Fred Trump was a man who kept score. 587 00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:03,818 He kept score every time the school called, 588 00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:06,427 every time a letter came home, 589 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,389 every time he found something-- 590 00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:11,257 the knife collection that Donald acquires. 591 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,570 He saw it as a reflection on him. 592 00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:14,826 ♪ 593 00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:16,178 Something must be done 594 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:17,567 about it, 595 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:18,960 and his solution 596 00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:20,833 was going to be extreme. 597 00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:26,974 ♪ 598 00:23:27,101 --> 00:23:31,451 ♪ 599 00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:34,414 - At the end of seventh grad, I went away to camp. 600 00:23:34,543 --> 00:23:37,333 Donald went away to do whatever Donald did, 601 00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:39,589 and when I came back in September 602 00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:42,292 with all my friends, I noticed a seat 603 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,511 in homeroom that was not occupied 604 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,510 where Donald usually sat, 605 00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:48,562 and I asked the homeroom teacher, 606 00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,038 "Where's Donnie?" 607 00:23:50,167 --> 00:23:53,687 ♪ 608 00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,703 - Against his will, Donald Trump 609 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,045 is sent to military school by his father. 610 00:23:58,175 --> 00:23:59,735 In 1959, 611 00:23:59,873 --> 00:24:01,703 he arrives at New York Military Academy 612 00:24:01,831 --> 00:24:04,091 about an hour north of New York City. 613 00:24:04,225 --> 00:24:06,355 He's 13 years old. 614 00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,318 - I think that had to be 615 00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,487 the most miserable existence 616 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,413 Donald Trump could imagine for himself. 617 00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:13,838 - He has to wear a uniform. 618 00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:15,324 He no longer is driven around 619 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,284 by the family chauffeur. 620 00:24:17,412 --> 00:24:19,152 He is in the dorms with everyone else, 621 00:24:19,283 --> 00:24:21,203 in the barracks. 622 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:25,249 ♪ 623 00:24:25,376 --> 00:24:28,856 - When I got here, it was "Hello. Good morning. 624 00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:32,079 Now you're in military school, and your life has changed." 625 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,519 - All these normal things that go on 626 00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:35,336 in a normal kid's life-- 627 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:38,044 they came to a screeching halt. 628 00:24:38,172 --> 00:24:41,832 - Your first year, you were the low man on the totem pole, 629 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:44,918 and you're responsible for learning new guy rules. 630 00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:46,348 There was mental hazing. 631 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:48,135 There was physical hazing, 632 00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:50,099 You had to throw yourself against a wall 633 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:51,657 if an upperclassman came by 634 00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,284 and, you know, apologize for being in his way. 635 00:24:54,405 --> 00:24:57,185 You might get, uh, a forearm to the chest. 636 00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:58,761 You might get paddled. 637 00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:00,458 You might get hit with a broomstick, 638 00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,016 a couple of right hooks on your shoulder, 639 00:25:02,152 --> 00:25:03,502 two or three upperclassmen 640 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:05,332 screaming in your face for 15 minutes. 641 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,110 - Before you know it, you're beat up. 642 00:25:07,244 --> 00:25:11,384 ♪ 643 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,160 - Donald went through new guy rules 644 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:15,384 with Major Ted Dobias. 645 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,134 This is a tough guy. 646 00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,215 - He was part of the Allied invasion of Italy, 647 00:25:21,345 --> 00:25:22,605 and at the end of the war, 648 00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:26,048 saw Mussolini swinging from a noose. 649 00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:28,476 - They used to come here. They were 650 00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:31,274 flunkies-- they call them flunkies-- 651 00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:34,229 and they grew up to be somebody. 652 00:25:34,358 --> 00:25:36,228 ♪ 653 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,020 - Donald ran up against Major Dobias 654 00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:41,536 like running into a stone wall. 655 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:44,240 It's not flexible, 656 00:25:44,368 --> 00:25:47,718 and if Major Dobias would see an attitude, 657 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:52,120 that attitude ended very, very quickly. 658 00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:53,596 - He was a rough guy, 659 00:25:53,726 --> 00:25:56,286 physically rough and mentally rough. 660 00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:58,304 In those days, they'd smack the hell out of you, 661 00:25:58,426 --> 00:25:59,596 really getting in your face, 662 00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:01,652 I mean, like, big-league. 663 00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,607 He said things like "Stand up," 664 00:26:05,738 --> 00:26:07,258 and I'm going, "Heh, 665 00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:09,001 give me a [bleep] break." 666 00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,442 - [laughs] - And this guy came at me-- 667 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,219 you would never believe it. 668 00:26:12,353 --> 00:26:14,533 These were guys that didn't take [bleep]. 669 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,100 ♪ 670 00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,396 You could go two ways: 671 00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:18,622 you can fight the system. 672 00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:20,621 You're not gonna win, 673 00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:22,283 'cause you're not gonna beat guys like this. 674 00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,446 - Right. - Or you can acclimate 675 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:25,983 and deal with the system 676 00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:28,196 and evolve in the system, 677 00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:30,015 and I did that. 678 00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:34,203 ♪ 679 00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:37,251 - Theodore Dobias was a taskmaster 680 00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:39,208 far beyond anything 681 00:26:39,336 --> 00:26:41,156 that Donald had seen from Fred Trump, 682 00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:44,295 and yet, he kind of takes to it. 683 00:26:44,428 --> 00:26:47,208 He liked the discipline. He enjoys the hierarchy. 684 00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:49,094 He didn't like being bossed around-- 685 00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:50,166 he never had-- 686 00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:51,614 but he liked the idea 687 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:53,260 that the kids who were on the receiving end 688 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:54,664 of all of that aggression 689 00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:56,527 would, in fairly short order, 690 00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:59,268 get to deliver it themselves. 691 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,620 - For Donald, the idea was to play the game 692 00:27:02,751 --> 00:27:04,841 and win the game, turn around, 693 00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:07,191 and set the terms yourself. 694 00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:10,321 He literally bowed and scraped 695 00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,334 before Ted Dobias 696 00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:13,976 in order to win his favor, 697 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:15,940 and he discovered that it worked. 698 00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,159 ♪ 699 00:27:18,288 --> 00:27:21,418 It was Donald who wound up an officer. 700 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:23,342 ♪ 701 00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:25,117 - You know, I went in there as a wise guy. 702 00:27:25,252 --> 00:27:26,692 - You were little. You were 13 years old. 703 00:27:26,819 --> 00:27:29,259 - 13, but I went in as a wise guy 704 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:33,126 that... was a little difficult. 705 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:35,040 By the time I graduated, I was, like, 706 00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:36,955 top of the military heap. 707 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:40,140 ♪ 708 00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,957 - Every year, 709 00:27:42,095 --> 00:27:44,395 we would send a certain number of cadets 710 00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:47,232 down to New York to march in the Columbus Day parade. 711 00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:53,021 ♪ 712 00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:54,539 - So on Columbus Day, 1963, 713 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,073 Donald Trump led the parade. 714 00:27:57,197 --> 00:28:00,497 ♪ 715 00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:03,545 - In Trump's mind, this return to the city 716 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,862 and having, clearly, a position of authority-- 717 00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:08,298 this is a bit of a retort to his father 718 00:28:08,425 --> 00:28:09,555 and a chance to say to his father, 719 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:12,038 "Look what I've become. 720 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,208 "You thought that you needed to send me away 721 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,524 "because I wasn't heading down the right road. 722 00:28:16,651 --> 00:28:19,181 "Look what I've become. Look what I can do. 723 00:28:19,306 --> 00:28:21,216 "Look how I can lead. Look how I can be that winner 724 00:28:21,351 --> 00:28:22,481 that you demanded." 725 00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:24,183 ♪ 726 00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,231 It was a way of taking that step 727 00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:28,096 into Manhattan, of going where his father 728 00:28:28,228 --> 00:28:30,268 would not go, 729 00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:32,104 and he was determined to show 730 00:28:32,232 --> 00:28:34,322 that he could take the family and its legacy 731 00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:36,281 to a new, tougher, higher place. 732 00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:38,190 ♪ 733 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,195 - One of the tactical offices at the time 734 00:28:40,327 --> 00:28:43,977 was a man named Colonel Anthony "Ace" Castellano. 735 00:28:44,113 --> 00:28:46,123 As they were walking up the street, 736 00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:48,066 Donald looked over, 737 00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:50,214 and he goes, "You know, Ace, I'd really like to own 738 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:51,467 some of this property someday." 739 00:28:51,599 --> 00:29:00,089 ♪ 740 00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,736 - My father was a very good builder... 741 00:29:02,871 --> 00:29:04,531 - Mm-hmm. 742 00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:05,785 - And he really did a good job. 743 00:29:05,918 --> 00:29:07,528 He would build a building, 744 00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:09,178 and next door, they'd build a building, 745 00:29:09,312 --> 00:29:11,312 and my father's houses were better... 746 00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:12,525 ♪ 747 00:29:12,663 --> 00:29:14,623 And he'd build them cheaper, 748 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,493 so he'd spend less money building a better house, 749 00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:20,015 and he'd sell it for more. 750 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:23,019 ♪ 751 00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:24,942 - In the mid-1960s, 752 00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:27,677 Fred Trump starts to think at this point, 753 00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:29,509 about moving beyond 754 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:32,117 more modestly-sized projects 755 00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:34,638 and build on a scale 756 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,993 unlike anything Fred Trump has built before, 757 00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:38,603 named Trump Village. 758 00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:42,783 ♪ 759 00:29:42,911 --> 00:29:43,781 - Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 760 00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:45,222 Wait a minute. Hold it. 761 00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:47,128 Trump Village, a middle-income co-op 762 00:29:47,263 --> 00:29:49,743 in Coney Island, housing 2,800 families. 763 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:53,175 ♪ 764 00:29:53,313 --> 00:29:54,843 - Trump Village Apartments. 765 00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:56,707 How do you get in here? 766 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,838 - [indistinct] Move it. - Is it worth waiting? 767 00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,491 - Yes. My mother lives 768 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:02,284 in a terrible apartment. 769 00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:03,629 - They say it will take six or seven years, 770 00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:04,848 or maybe eight. 771 00:30:04,977 --> 00:30:08,147 - Well, I'll take that chance. 772 00:30:08,284 --> 00:30:10,684 - This is a project that ends up 773 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,989 being far greater in scope 774 00:30:13,115 --> 00:30:14,725 than anything he's done before. 775 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:16,546 His previous projects-- 776 00:30:16,684 --> 00:30:19,824 the buildings were, at most, five, six stories, 777 00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:22,468 and here, he really sets his sights much higher, 778 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:23,563 literally... 779 00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:24,911 ♪ 780 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,170 And it's also the first time 781 00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:28,443 that Fred Trump 782 00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:30,045 labels a project 783 00:30:30,176 --> 00:30:31,956 clearly with the family name. 784 00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:33,611 ♪ 785 00:30:33,744 --> 00:30:34,884 - Trump Village would emerge 786 00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:36,567 as one of Fred Trump's 787 00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:39,584 greatest public successes, 788 00:30:39,707 --> 00:30:40,967 but ironically, 789 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,670 it also was gonna be the source 790 00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:44,837 of one of his greatest public humiliations. 791 00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:47,113 ♪ 792 00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:48,886 In 1966, 793 00:30:49,021 --> 00:30:50,891 New York State began probing 794 00:30:51,023 --> 00:30:53,853 into what was going on at Trump Village. 795 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,202 - Fred Trump is hauled in for questioning 796 00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:58,162 for misusing funds, 797 00:30:58,291 --> 00:30:59,901 over-billing the government 798 00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:01,512 for equipment, for services, 799 00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:04,912 related to Trump Village. 800 00:31:05,037 --> 00:31:07,167 - It includes him charging the state 801 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,430 about $8,000 apiece for tile scrapers 802 00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:12,354 that normally cost $500. 803 00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:13,519 ♪ 804 00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:14,704 More glaringly, 805 00:31:14,829 --> 00:31:17,089 he overcharges the state 806 00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:21,013 for about $6.6 million in fees. 807 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:23,790 The net result is it's very clear 808 00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:26,225 Fred Trump is gouging 809 00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:27,712 the state of New York 810 00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:29,062 and New York residents 811 00:31:29,191 --> 00:31:30,671 to line his own pockets. 812 00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:32,801 One of the commissioners finally says, 813 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,814 "Is there any way 814 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:37,066 "we can prevent someone like this 815 00:31:37,199 --> 00:31:39,849 from ever getting a state contract again?" 816 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:47,115 ♪ 817 00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:50,003 - Here he is, the patriarch of the family, 818 00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:52,125 somebody they looked up to. 819 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,828 To have him being publicly called out like that 820 00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:58,827 was extremely embarrassing to them. 821 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,050 - Neighbors, schoolmates-- 822 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:02,790 people were asking questions, 823 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,181 that they were seen 824 00:32:04,313 --> 00:32:07,143 as unpatriotic, possibly criminal. 825 00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:10,933 - The 1966 state investigation 826 00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:12,799 really had a-- 827 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:14,981 I would say a devastating impact 828 00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:16,537 on Fred Trump. 829 00:32:16,673 --> 00:32:18,023 ♪ 830 00:32:18,153 --> 00:32:19,813 Trump Village really becomes 831 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,418 the last significant project 832 00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:22,548 that he builds. 833 00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:24,809 ♪ 834 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:27,953 - Fred spent three decades building his company, 835 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:30,116 and he was now looking for an heir 836 00:32:30,252 --> 00:32:31,782 who he felt was worthy 837 00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:33,036 of inheriting that mantle 838 00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:35,908 and moving the company forward, 839 00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,831 but when Donald graduates from college, 840 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:39,996 the expectation is that he's gonna join 841 00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:41,222 the family business 842 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:42,870 to work first for his father, 843 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:44,184 and then, eventually, 844 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:45,880 for his brother Fred, 845 00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:47,397 who is considered the heir apparent. 846 00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:48,970 ♪ 847 00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:50,007 - I think that what Fred expected 848 00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,712 of Fred Jr. 849 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:52,799 was something, that it was-- 850 00:32:52,927 --> 00:32:54,187 it was almost a, um-- 851 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,670 a classical king's approach 852 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:56,889 to raising sons. 853 00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,848 "If this son is worthy of me, 854 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,757 he can rise to the throne." 855 00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:02,551 Uh, not every son is going to thrive 856 00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:03,586 in that kind of environment. 857 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,160 ♪ 858 00:33:06,288 --> 00:33:08,808 - There was a nervous quality about Fred. 859 00:33:08,943 --> 00:33:10,513 ♪ 860 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,640 He was always on. 861 00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:13,212 ♪ 862 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,819 I wondered, in retrospect, 863 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:20,000 whether some of his anxiety 864 00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,698 was, uh, caused 865 00:33:22,826 --> 00:33:24,046 by the constant pressure 866 00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:26,566 of trying to please his father. 867 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,270 - The point of no return 868 00:33:28,397 --> 00:33:29,957 in his relationship with his father 869 00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,045 was the attempted development 870 00:33:32,184 --> 00:33:33,844 of property in Coney Island. 871 00:33:33,968 --> 00:33:38,098 ♪ 872 00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,713 - I remember Steeplechase vividly. 873 00:33:40,844 --> 00:33:43,894 It had a--a face with a big smile, 874 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:45,852 with lots of teeth showing. 875 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,460 It was a happy place. 876 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:49,720 It was a playground, 877 00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,163 and it was a reminder 878 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,030 that Coney Island was this haven 879 00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:54,951 for people in New York. 880 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,686 Off the subways came streamig a million people 881 00:33:57,818 --> 00:33:59,208 on a weekend. 882 00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:01,521 A million people coming to Coney Island, 883 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:02,998 and many of them were coming to Steeplechase. 884 00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,698 ♪ 885 00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:07,436 - By the '60s, 886 00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:10,217 Coney Island is in decline, 887 00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,921 so Fred Trump buys the Steeplechase very quickl, 888 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:15,972 largely under the radar 889 00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,447 of the folks in Coney Island. 890 00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:21,668 He wants to build housing there. 891 00:34:21,797 --> 00:34:24,537 Problem is, Fred Trump fails to get 892 00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:26,240 the necessary zoning change 893 00:34:26,368 --> 00:34:28,628 that would enable him to build this housing. 894 00:34:28,762 --> 00:34:30,942 ♪ 895 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,549 The business community 896 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,289 in Coney Island 897 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:38,990 is desperate to have Steeplechase preserved. 898 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,950 Fred Trump knew that if it got landmarked, 899 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,690 uh, there was nothing much more he could do with the site. 900 00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:46,781 ♪ 901 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:50,519 - Fred got Fred Jr. involved in accelerating 902 00:34:50,652 --> 00:34:53,002 their demolition of this property 903 00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:55,754 before they had permission to build on it. 904 00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:58,836 Fred Jr. is trying his hardest 905 00:34:58,966 --> 00:35:00,486 to work with his father 906 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:01,840 to demonstrate that he's 907 00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:03,879 as tough and as smart 908 00:35:04,014 --> 00:35:05,414 as his father. 909 00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:06,838 ♪ 910 00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,934 - So Fred Trump organizes 911 00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:11,113 a wrecking party of sorts... 912 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,629 - To celebrate the development of apartments 913 00:35:13,763 --> 00:35:15,243 along the seashore 914 00:35:15,374 --> 00:35:18,204 and the success of the Trump Organization. 915 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:20,683 - Invites all these people to come 916 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,604 and basically hurl bricks 917 00:35:22,729 --> 00:35:25,469 through the great glass windows, 918 00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:28,691 through the enormous painting on the glass 919 00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:31,092 of the great smiling face 920 00:35:31,216 --> 00:35:32,566 of Steeplechase. 921 00:35:32,695 --> 00:35:34,865 ♪ 922 00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:37,002 - The thought that you would encourage people 923 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,215 to throw bricks, to destroy that smile, 924 00:35:39,354 --> 00:35:41,754 that face that was such an integral part 925 00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:44,008 of growing up in Coney Island-- 926 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,532 I mean, it's unbelievable. 927 00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:52,585 ♪ 928 00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:56,814 In the end, it was a public relations nightmare 929 00:35:56,937 --> 00:35:58,067 for the Trumps. 930 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,679 Fred Jr. could never do 931 00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:00,939 the political work 932 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:02,901 and the other logistical work 933 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:05,770 that was required to make the development real, 934 00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:07,772 and the property, even today, 935 00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:10,474 is not the site of any housing. 936 00:36:10,603 --> 00:36:12,953 ♪ 937 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:16,173 And after the fiasco at Steeplechase, 938 00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:19,444 it was clear to all of the Trumps 939 00:36:19,568 --> 00:36:22,828 that Fred Jr. was not going to fulfill 940 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:24,833 his father's expectations. 941 00:36:24,965 --> 00:36:26,485 Early in life, 942 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,359 Donald looked up to Fred Jr. 943 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:29,930 as the big brother. 944 00:36:30,057 --> 00:36:32,407 He was a very charming, 945 00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:34,098 very caring young man... 946 00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:35,975 ♪ 947 00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:39,456 And yet, Donald became very competitive 948 00:36:39,588 --> 00:36:41,198 with Fred Jr. 949 00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:44,769 and really showed him no mercy. 950 00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:46,248 ♪ 951 00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:49,078 - If I were going to make a movie of this, 952 00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,857 I would see a younger brother 953 00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,522 trying to get primacy in a family. 954 00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,077 ♪ 955 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,735 This became 956 00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:00,828 an increasingly terrible situation. 957 00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:02,657 ♪ 958 00:37:02,785 --> 00:37:04,735 Fred Trump would belittle Fred Jr. 959 00:37:04,874 --> 00:37:07,444 In meetings, he would sadistically attack him, 960 00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:08,793 saying "What do you know?" 961 00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:14,672 ♪ 962 00:37:14,797 --> 00:37:16,837 - In the early 1970s, 963 00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:20,113 Fred Sr. takes the fateful move. 964 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,978 He makes Donald president 965 00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:24,939 of the Trump Organization. 966 00:37:25,068 --> 00:37:26,848 What Fred Sr. is communicating here 967 00:37:26,983 --> 00:37:28,943 is unmistakable. 968 00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:30,382 Donald has made it. 969 00:37:30,509 --> 00:37:32,639 He is the future. 970 00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:36,082 Fred Jr. has not made it, 971 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:37,730 and he's never going to make it. 972 00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:40,084 ♪ 973 00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:42,134 He had talked so much 974 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:43,870 about working for his dad 975 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,790 and taking over the company. 976 00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:48,476 I think that the father 977 00:37:48,614 --> 00:37:50,094 at some point 978 00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:51,754 decided that Fred 979 00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:53,578 was... a loser. 980 00:37:53,706 --> 00:37:55,096 ♪ 981 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,059 I've gotta believe 982 00:37:57,187 --> 00:37:59,017 that, uh-- 983 00:37:59,146 --> 00:38:01,626 uh, Fred took that rejection 984 00:38:01,757 --> 00:38:03,407 very hard. 985 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:06,632 ♪ 986 00:38:06,762 --> 00:38:08,982 - Fred essentially drove his son, Fred Jr., 987 00:38:09,112 --> 00:38:10,462 out of the family, 988 00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,512 and I think Fred ended up, 989 00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:16,118 uh, a lost soul. 990 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:17,820 - He had his own dream: 991 00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:20,597 to be a commercial airline pilot. 992 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,823 ♪ 993 00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:26,522 In the end, Fred left the Trump Organization 994 00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:28,392 and went off to train as a pilot. 995 00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:35,573 ♪ 996 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:37,754 - He was having a tremendous hard time, 997 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,190 and he started drinking, 998 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:40,617 and he got hooked on alcohol... 999 00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:41,673 ♪ 1000 00:38:41,797 --> 00:38:43,707 And he became 1001 00:38:43,843 --> 00:38:45,893 a very serious alcoholic, 1002 00:38:46,019 --> 00:38:47,629 and it was rough for him. 1003 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,680 ♪ 1004 00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:55,508 - I've thought, uh, 1005 00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:58,767 long and hard about Fred's life, 1006 00:38:58,901 --> 00:39:02,951 and, uh, wonder how much of a role 1007 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:07,129 that, uh, rejection from his father 1008 00:39:07,257 --> 00:39:09,957 may have played in his-- in his sad life. 1009 00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:17,006 ♪ 1010 00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:21,794 - I like to learn from other people's mistakes. 1011 00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:23,714 I like to learn from my mistakes, 1012 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,009 but I like to learn more 1013 00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:26,925 from other people's mistakes, 1014 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:28,500 because why should I have to make a mistake 1015 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:29,627 if I can learn from somebody else? 1016 00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:31,148 I've learned so many lessons 1017 00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:33,201 by watching other people make mistakes-- 1018 00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:35,157 some fatal and some not fatal, 1019 00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:37,025 and some not even near-fatal, 1020 00:39:37,157 --> 00:39:39,807 but I study other people's mistakes. 1021 00:39:39,942 --> 00:39:42,602 ♪ 1022 00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:43,948 - Fred Jr. 1023 00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:45,857 did not do much of anything 1024 00:39:45,992 --> 00:39:48,172 the way that his father expected. 1025 00:39:48,298 --> 00:39:50,648 His whole approach to life 1026 00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:53,519 was contrary to the old man's... 1027 00:39:53,652 --> 00:39:55,572 ♪ 1028 00:39:55,697 --> 00:39:58,697 And Donald observed Fred Sr.'s impatience 1029 00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:00,011 with Fred Jr. 1030 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,136 ♪ 1031 00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:04,008 It's identified by him 1032 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,450 as a sign of Fred's weakness. 1033 00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:09,149 Donald's takeaway from this 1034 00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:11,576 is that it's an example 1035 00:40:11,713 --> 00:40:16,113 of what he should never do in his own life, 1036 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,159 and he sees, "Here is this big opportunity for me 1037 00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:22,858 that my brother squandered." 1038 00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:27,635 ♪ 1039 00:40:27,773 --> 00:40:29,513 ♪ 1040 00:40:29,644 --> 00:40:30,994 - When I was growing up, 1041 00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:33,264 the signs on the Belt Parkway 1042 00:40:33,387 --> 00:40:35,297 didn't say "To Manhattan." 1043 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,783 They said "To New York City," 1044 00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,833 so you had a very strong sense 1045 00:40:39,959 --> 00:40:41,479 that Manhattan 1046 00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:42,613 was New York City, 1047 00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:43,834 and you were not. 1048 00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:45,663 You're in the outer boroughs. 1049 00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:48,451 You grew up with this chip on your shoulder. 1050 00:40:48,576 --> 00:40:50,266 - The city so nice, 1051 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:52,714 they had to name it twice. 1052 00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,931 Well, New York, New York is Manhattan. 1053 00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:56,761 It's the lake in the park. 1054 00:40:56,889 --> 00:40:58,499 It's the skyline after dark. 1055 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,890 It's the Empire State, 1056 00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,422 it's the monument to world peace, 1057 00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:02,496 the UN, 1058 00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,034 and if you become 1059 00:41:05,158 --> 00:41:07,328 a power broker in Manhattan, 1060 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,415 you are the man. 1061 00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:14,985 ♪ 1062 00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:18,084 - From an early age, Donald Trump knew 1063 00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:19,874 there was more than Queens. 1064 00:41:19,999 --> 00:41:21,609 He felt constricted 1065 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,570 by, uh, his father's world 1066 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:24,658 of the outer boroughs. 1067 00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:26,606 ♪ 1068 00:41:26,745 --> 00:41:28,785 - Imagine a young Donald Trump. 1069 00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:31,401 He leaves this mansion 1070 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:33,532 that he lives in with his parents 1071 00:41:33,665 --> 00:41:34,575 in Jamaica Estates 1072 00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:35,709 and every morning, 1073 00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:37,541 makes his way down south 1074 00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:39,059 along Belt Parkway 1075 00:41:39,192 --> 00:41:41,632 to Avenue Z in Brooklyn, 1076 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,020 not far from the waste treatment plant, 1077 00:41:44,153 --> 00:41:46,983 and into the shabby offices 1078 00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:49,903 of the Trump Organization. 1079 00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:51,639 - He was trying so hard 1080 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:54,030 to get away from being the son 1081 00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:57,993 of a developer from Coney Island, 1082 00:41:58,124 --> 00:42:00,004 a father who operated 1083 00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:01,606 out of a very modest, 1084 00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:03,826 almost trailer-like affair 1085 00:42:03,956 --> 00:42:06,176 filled with cigar store Indians. 1086 00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:12,526 ♪ 1087 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:14,790 - Donald Trump hated going to that job. 1088 00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:16,843 He was there to collect rents. 1089 00:42:16,969 --> 00:42:19,279 He was there to process the paperwork. 1090 00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:20,836 He was there to check in 1091 00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:23,583 and keep an eye on the contractors. 1092 00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:26,885 This was not where he wanted to be. 1093 00:42:27,022 --> 00:42:28,762 - You're a young guy. - Right. 1094 00:42:28,894 --> 00:42:30,294 - This is early '70s. 1095 00:42:30,417 --> 00:42:32,457 You're barely 30 years old 1096 00:42:32,593 --> 00:42:33,463 when you start this. - Right. 1097 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:34,644 Younger. Younger. 1098 00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:36,469 - 28. - Yeah. 1099 00:42:36,597 --> 00:42:37,857 - What are you thinking? What are you-- 1100 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:39,470 are you thinking, "I've really 1101 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,470 got to get into Manhattan"? 1102 00:42:41,602 --> 00:42:43,562 - I worked in Brooklyn for my father. 1103 00:42:43,691 --> 00:42:44,781 ♪ 1104 00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:46,000 You know, I did very well. 1105 00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:47,908 I did a lot, 1106 00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:49,223 but I always wanted to be in Manhattan. 1107 00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:50,919 ♪ 1108 00:42:51,046 --> 00:42:54,046 My father was a very good builder... 1109 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:55,790 - Mm-hmm. - But he built 1110 00:42:55,921 --> 00:42:57,621 on his own territory. He felt comfortable 1111 00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,749 in Brooklyn and Queens. 1112 00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:02,411 He never wanted to enter Manhattan. 1113 00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:03,666 He didn't think it was his place. 1114 00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:05,668 ♪ 1115 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,890 - For Donald Trump, 1116 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:09,589 Manhattan--it's like Oz. 1117 00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:11,847 He's staring across the East River at Oz, 1118 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,420 and he wants a piece of that. 1119 00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:18,597 ♪ 1120 00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:21,636 - And he gets a one-room studio 1121 00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:22,773 and he moves into Manhattan. 1122 00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:23,954 He's gonna become a player. 1123 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,559 - He had his Cadillac convertible 1124 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:26,780 with personalized license plate, 1125 00:43:26,908 --> 00:43:28,908 "DJT," and he would go bombing 1126 00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:30,521 up and down the avenues, 1127 00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:33,091 looking for properties to buy, 1128 00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:36,479 thinking, you know, "If I could just start small" 1129 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:37,924 doing in Manhattan what his father had done 1130 00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:39,620 in the outer boroughs. 1131 00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:41,437 Real estate prices were going down, 1132 00:43:41,575 --> 00:43:42,655 and so it was 1133 00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:44,404 open territory 1134 00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:45,934 for a real estate developer 1135 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,278 who was eager to make his mark. 1136 00:43:48,408 --> 00:43:51,928 ♪ 1137 00:43:52,064 --> 00:43:54,414 He was generating and grooming 1138 00:43:54,544 --> 00:43:55,724 this image of himself 1139 00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:58,850 as a playboy millionaire, 1140 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,734 and so he would go out to the clubs 1141 00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:02,465 that were hot at that moment. 1142 00:44:02,596 --> 00:44:03,766 ♪ 1143 00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:05,772 - Le Club was a place 1144 00:44:05,904 --> 00:44:08,384 where you would roll up to the bar 1145 00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:09,855 hoping to meet model, 1146 00:44:09,995 --> 00:44:11,815 so you can see 1147 00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:13,563 that a Donald Trump would be attracted 1148 00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:14,964 to that kind of a scene. 1149 00:44:15,087 --> 00:44:16,607 ♪ 1150 00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:18,051 - I was one of the very first 1151 00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:19,737 female members of Le Club, 1152 00:44:19,874 --> 00:44:21,964 and it was glamorous and fun, 1153 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:24,364 and they played fabulous music. 1154 00:44:24,487 --> 00:44:26,527 It was the hottest place in town. 1155 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:29,454 It had a very intimate dance floor. 1156 00:44:29,579 --> 00:44:31,359 All the women were chic 1157 00:44:31,494 --> 00:44:33,504 and well-dressed and the men were handsome, 1158 00:44:33,627 --> 00:44:35,497 wearing either suits or tuxedos, 1159 00:44:35,629 --> 00:44:36,939 and you could really fall in love 1160 00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:38,325 with anybody in this place. 1161 00:44:38,458 --> 00:44:39,888 ♪ 1162 00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:41,675 And I remember one night, 1163 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:42,939 I went over to the maître d', 1164 00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,901 and I said, "who is that man?" 1165 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:46,640 He said, "He's a new member. 1166 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,561 His name is Donald Trump." 1167 00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,816 I thought he was extremely handsome. 1168 00:44:50,949 --> 00:44:52,559 He had a way about him that just 1169 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:55,740 caught my eye immediately. 1170 00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:57,347 - You went to Le Club. - Le Club, right. 1171 00:44:57,477 --> 00:44:58,957 - The greatest I've ever been to. 1172 00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:01,217 The level of beauty was-- 1173 00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:02,830 Le Club, to me, 1174 00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:04,351 was the greatest club that I've ever 1175 00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:05,964 been associated-- - In the world? 1176 00:45:06,094 --> 00:45:08,274 - I-I've been to every-- I've been everywhere. 1177 00:45:08,401 --> 00:45:09,661 ♪ 1178 00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:11,324 - Trump would hang out there 1179 00:45:11,447 --> 00:45:12,837 in order to be noticed, but also 1180 00:45:12,971 --> 00:45:14,841 to get to know the movers and shakers 1181 00:45:14,973 --> 00:45:16,323 of this new world of Manhattan 1182 00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,372 that he was diving into. 1183 00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:20,328 - Donald very much set his sights 1184 00:45:20,456 --> 00:45:22,016 on becoming a player 1185 00:45:22,154 --> 00:45:24,984 in the hierarchy of New York real estate, 1186 00:45:25,113 --> 00:45:26,723 but before he could make his move 1187 00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:28,604 in Manhattan, 1188 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,466 a problem arrived on the doorstep 1189 00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:31,507 of his father. 1190 00:45:31,641 --> 00:45:33,121 ♪ 1191 00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:34,782 The Justice Department filed a lawsuit 1192 00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:36,466 against the Trump Organization, 1193 00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:39,563 alleging that they had discriminated 1194 00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:41,353 against black and Latin families 1195 00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:42,827 wanting to live in the buildings 1196 00:45:42,957 --> 00:45:44,387 that his father had built. 1197 00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:45,704 ♪ 1198 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:48,570 This was a big problem 1199 00:45:48,702 --> 00:45:51,922 that could jeopardize any deal. 1200 00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:54,103 ♪ 1201 00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:57,059 - The 1973 lawsuit alleges rampant discrimination 1202 00:45:57,189 --> 00:45:59,319 on the part of the Trump Organization. 1203 00:45:59,452 --> 00:46:00,322 We're not talking 1204 00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:01,413 about discrimination 1205 00:46:01,541 --> 00:46:02,671 here and there. 1206 00:46:02,803 --> 00:46:04,943 We're talking about systemic, 1207 00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:07,196 structural discrimination. 1208 00:46:07,329 --> 00:46:11,419 ♪ 1209 00:46:11,551 --> 00:46:13,381 - And this is the kitchen here. 1210 00:46:13,509 --> 00:46:15,339 - I was contacted and asked 1211 00:46:15,468 --> 00:46:17,468 to be a tester 1212 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,730 for the, uh, 1213 00:46:18,863 --> 00:46:20,473 Beach Haven apartments, 1214 00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:23,263 which were owned by Trump Management. 1215 00:46:23,389 --> 00:46:24,869 ♪ 1216 00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:26,609 - There was a sign outside 1217 00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:28,220 that said "Apartment for rent," 1218 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:29,870 and this articulate, 1219 00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:32,444 well-dressed black man 1220 00:46:32,572 --> 00:46:34,752 had applied for the apartment, 1221 00:46:34,879 --> 00:46:36,489 and the superintendent-- 1222 00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:38,489 he said to the man, 1223 00:46:38,621 --> 00:46:41,711 uh, "I'm sorry, but the apartment is taken." 1224 00:46:41,842 --> 00:46:43,672 - As I remember, there was a gentleman, 1225 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:44,891 and he said, "I have none to show, 1226 00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:46,189 "because there's nothing 1227 00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:47,935 vacant right now." 1228 00:46:48,066 --> 00:46:49,716 Right after I--I left, 1229 00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:51,980 they sent a white person. 1230 00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:54,513 - The super greeted me with open arms 1231 00:46:54,637 --> 00:46:56,937 like he was just waiting for me, 1232 00:46:57,075 --> 00:46:59,245 and he handed me the lease, 1233 00:46:59,381 --> 00:47:00,601 and I just ran, 1234 00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:02,380 and when I got outside, 1235 00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:04,335 I met up with the commissioner, 1236 00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:06,953 and we walked back into the building, 1237 00:47:07,085 --> 00:47:08,385 and at this point, 1238 00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:09,611 the superintendent-- 1239 00:47:09,739 --> 00:47:11,609 all he could say was, uh, 1240 00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:13,441 "Well, uh, I'm just doing 1241 00:47:13,569 --> 00:47:16,269 what my boss told me to do." 1242 00:47:16,398 --> 00:47:17,658 - You feel outraged. 1243 00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:20,321 You feel insulted. 1244 00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:22,576 I'm a young black man 1245 00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,619 who has been to college, 1246 00:47:24,754 --> 00:47:26,804 who has a job, 1247 00:47:26,931 --> 00:47:28,721 so you do feel a sense 1248 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:30,626 of anger at the fact 1249 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,460 that society still allows 1250 00:47:32,588 --> 00:47:34,158 this sort of thing to happen. 1251 00:47:34,286 --> 00:47:35,416 ♪ 1252 00:47:35,548 --> 00:47:37,638 - In 1973, 1253 00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,287 I went out to Trump Village 1254 00:47:40,422 --> 00:47:41,602 and tried to interview 1255 00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,858 as many people as I could... 1256 00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:46,651 ♪ 1257 00:47:46,776 --> 00:47:50,776 And we found out that if a person of color 1258 00:47:50,911 --> 00:47:54,571 did apply to live at Trump Village, 1259 00:47:54,697 --> 00:47:58,177 that on their application would be handwritten 1260 00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:00,440 a big C, for "colored." 1261 00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:02,623 ♪ 1262 00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:04,529 - Those applications 1263 00:48:04,664 --> 00:48:06,364 would then be put in a separate pile, 1264 00:48:06,492 --> 00:48:07,892 and those people 1265 00:48:08,015 --> 00:48:09,275 would be offered 1266 00:48:09,408 --> 00:48:10,928 either no apartment, 1267 00:48:11,062 --> 00:48:12,852 or they'd be offered a lesser apartment 1268 00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,977 at a lesser property. 1269 00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:17,499 The Justice Department comes after Donald Trump 1270 00:48:17,633 --> 00:48:19,333 and his father Fred, 1271 00:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,991 accusing them of racial discrimination. 1272 00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:25,116 - And everyone around him, including his father, 1273 00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:26,340 is saying, 1274 00:48:26,468 --> 00:48:27,638 "Just settle, Donald. 1275 00:48:27,774 --> 00:48:28,864 Nobody beats the federal government." 1276 00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:31,393 ♪ 1277 00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:32,907 - As Donald Trump was deciding 1278 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,610 whether to settle the racial bias case 1279 00:48:34,737 --> 00:48:36,997 on behalf of the company and his father, 1280 00:48:37,131 --> 00:48:39,481 he goes into Le Club, 1281 00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:40,742 he walks in, 1282 00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:41,884 and there's a man at a table, 1283 00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:43,436 and that man is Roy Cohn. 1284 00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:45,492 ♪ 1285 00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:48,058 The meeting between Roy Cohn and Donald Trump 1286 00:48:48,186 --> 00:48:50,666 began one of the most important relationships in Trump's life. 1287 00:48:50,797 --> 00:48:53,227 ♪ 1288 00:48:57,412 --> 00:48:59,502 - This fight, I have absolutely total confidence 1289 00:48:59,632 --> 00:49:00,852 is going to be won, 1290 00:49:00,981 --> 00:49:03,591 and won completely and totally. 1291 00:49:03,723 --> 00:49:05,293 - To this day, Roy Cohn is one 1292 00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:08,250 of the most controversial and hated people in America. 1293 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:11,430 Mention his name, and people will throw things at you. 1294 00:49:11,557 --> 00:49:13,207 ♪ 1295 00:49:13,341 --> 00:49:15,911 - To Donald Trump, Roy Cohn is 1296 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,430 exactly what his father had called a killer. 1297 00:49:18,564 --> 00:49:20,224 ♪ 1298 00:49:20,348 --> 00:49:23,218 - Donald Trump had two mentors: 1299 00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:26,051 his dad, who taught him 1300 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,880 there are killers and losers, 1301 00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:29,578 and Roy Cohn, who said 1302 00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:31,875 even when you lose, you win. 1303 00:49:32,012 --> 00:49:33,582 Doesn't matter if it l-- you say it's a win 1304 00:49:33,709 --> 00:49:34,619 when it's a loss. 1305 00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:35,894 ♪ 1306 00:49:36,016 --> 00:49:37,576 - Roy Cohn, as a young man, 1307 00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:38,983 was chief counsel 1308 00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:40,926 to Senator Joseph McCarthy. 1309 00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:42,675 ♪ 1310 00:49:42,805 --> 00:49:46,025 McCarthy was the rabble-rousing senator 1311 00:49:46,157 --> 00:49:47,107 from Wisconsin 1312 00:49:47,245 --> 00:49:50,155 who rose to power on a lie. 1313 00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:51,991 - All Senator McCarthy has been trying to do 1314 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,769 is expose the Communists. 1315 00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:58,084 - The lie was that there were hundreds of people 1316 00:49:58,212 --> 00:50:00,742 in the government who were Communist. 1317 00:50:00,867 --> 00:50:02,777 It was all fake. 1318 00:50:02,912 --> 00:50:05,652 ♪ 1319 00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:07,955 - Roy helped Senator McCarthy 1320 00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:10,142 invent things, s-- out of whole cloth, 1321 00:50:10,268 --> 00:50:12,178 invent, you know, Communist conspiracies 1322 00:50:12,313 --> 00:50:13,843 and Communists in the State Department 1323 00:50:13,967 --> 00:50:15,837 and all that. Roy pushed that through. 1324 00:50:15,969 --> 00:50:17,319 - Are you now, or have you ever been, 1325 00:50:17,449 --> 00:50:19,149 a member of the Communist-- - Wait a minute! 1326 00:50:19,277 --> 00:50:20,887 Let me answer the question! - Ask the next question. 1327 00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:21,928 - Are you asking me 1328 00:50:22,062 --> 00:50:23,672 to violate 1329 00:50:23,803 --> 00:50:24,983 the Constitutional guarantee... 1330 00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:26,409 - It does not violate the Constitution 1331 00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:27,935 to answer a question. - It does. 1332 00:50:28,068 --> 00:50:29,108 ♪ 1333 00:50:29,243 --> 00:50:30,813 - Years before Twitter, 1334 00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:33,160 years before cable news, 1335 00:50:33,291 --> 00:50:34,861 Roy knew that he could get headlines, 1336 00:50:34,988 --> 00:50:36,118 he could make allegations, 1337 00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:37,120 and that would stick. 1338 00:50:37,251 --> 00:50:40,951 ♪ 1339 00:50:41,081 --> 00:50:43,001 - But McCarthy and Roy Cohn 1340 00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:44,817 were driven out of Washington 1341 00:50:44,954 --> 00:50:46,914 in an utter state of disgrace 1342 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,704 when they were belittled by Joseph Welch 1343 00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:52,660 in a beautiful moment of American theater 1344 00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:54,308 when he said... 1345 00:50:54,442 --> 00:50:58,752 - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1346 00:50:58,881 --> 00:51:00,451 At long last, 1347 00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:01,749 have you left 1348 00:51:01,884 --> 00:51:04,024 no sense of decency? 1349 00:51:04,148 --> 00:51:07,758 ♪ 1350 00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:10,680 - When Roy came to New York, 1351 00:51:10,806 --> 00:51:12,846 he played it like a win, 1352 00:51:12,982 --> 00:51:15,032 and he rose to become 1353 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,989 one of the most powerful fixers 1354 00:51:17,117 --> 00:51:19,987 in New York of the 20th century. 1355 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,900 ♪ 1356 00:51:22,035 --> 00:51:24,985 - Roy and Trump met at Le Club, 1357 00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:26,605 which was, in those days, 1358 00:51:26,735 --> 00:51:28,215 the place to be, 1359 00:51:28,346 --> 00:51:29,826 and Donald proceeds to tell him 1360 00:51:29,956 --> 00:51:31,826 that the U.S. Justice Department 1361 00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:35,308 is going after the Trump family really hard 1362 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,920 for discriminating against people 1363 00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:38,790 in their--in the housing they own, 1364 00:51:38,921 --> 00:51:41,101 and everybody's telling Trump, 1365 00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:42,798 "Just settle it." 1366 00:51:42,925 --> 00:51:45,615 Roy is the first one who says to Trump, 1367 00:51:45,754 --> 00:51:47,234 "What are you talking about? 1368 00:51:47,365 --> 00:51:48,975 "Go after the Justice Department. 1369 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:50,796 "Counter-attack. 1370 00:51:50,933 --> 00:51:53,073 You can win this." 1371 00:51:53,197 --> 00:51:55,157 - Roy Cohn was a great lawyer. 1372 00:51:55,286 --> 00:51:56,846 You talk about a controversial guy. 1373 00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:58,463 I mean, he was a controversial guy. 1374 00:51:58,593 --> 00:52:00,123 - Unbelievable. - But if he was your friend, 1375 00:52:00,247 --> 00:52:02,897 he would fight to the death. 1376 00:52:03,032 --> 00:52:04,992 - Did you know his reputation? 1377 00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:06,602 - I-I-I did, but his reputation 1378 00:52:06,732 --> 00:52:08,342 was tough. I needed a tough lawyer. 1379 00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:09,783 You know, I was dealing with tough people, 1380 00:52:09,909 --> 00:52:11,079 and Roy was very good, 1381 00:52:11,215 --> 00:52:13,865 and Roy, for me, did a great job. 1382 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,050 ♪ 1383 00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:21,089 - Donald and Fred Trump, 1384 00:52:21,225 --> 00:52:22,915 along with Roy Cohn, 1385 00:52:23,052 --> 00:52:25,662 called a press conference. 1386 00:52:25,794 --> 00:52:27,194 - He did something preposterous, 1387 00:52:27,318 --> 00:52:28,538 which is they said 1388 00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:30,057 that they were suing 1389 00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:31,710 the Justice Department 1390 00:52:31,844 --> 00:52:32,764 for defamation. 1391 00:52:32,888 --> 00:52:39,328 ♪ 1392 00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:41,940 - Donald says "This isn't about racism. 1393 00:52:42,071 --> 00:52:43,731 "I don't want them in there 1394 00:52:43,856 --> 00:52:45,416 because they're all welfare recipients." 1395 00:52:45,553 --> 00:52:47,993 - Nothing could be further from the truth. 1396 00:52:48,121 --> 00:52:51,261 It was just a made-up story. 1397 00:52:51,385 --> 00:52:53,995 - He knew it was an effective public statement 1398 00:52:54,127 --> 00:52:56,777 to make to spin the public debate 1399 00:52:56,912 --> 00:52:58,092 in a different way. 1400 00:52:58,218 --> 00:52:59,088 This was all Roy Cohn. 1401 00:52:59,219 --> 00:53:00,919 It's Roy Cohn 1402 00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,827 who's got Trump at his knee, 1403 00:53:03,963 --> 00:53:05,573 telling him how the world works. 1404 00:53:05,704 --> 00:53:07,234 ♪ 1405 00:53:07,358 --> 00:53:10,968 - Roy understood how to generate news 1406 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,840 and how the media worked, 1407 00:53:12,972 --> 00:53:14,582 and he understood the interplay 1408 00:53:14,713 --> 00:53:16,243 between public events 1409 00:53:16,367 --> 00:53:17,627 and media coverage. 1410 00:53:17,759 --> 00:53:18,799 ♪ 1411 00:53:18,934 --> 00:53:20,284 Trump marveled 1412 00:53:20,414 --> 00:53:21,854 at Cohn's understanding 1413 00:53:21,981 --> 00:53:24,771 of how to sell an idea, 1414 00:53:24,897 --> 00:53:26,157 both his legal tactics 1415 00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:27,860 and the coverage of the matters 1416 00:53:27,987 --> 00:53:29,157 in which he was involved. 1417 00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:31,643 ♪ 1418 00:53:31,773 --> 00:53:32,953 - I remember 1419 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,909 the first big argument 1420 00:53:35,037 --> 00:53:36,297 in court. 1421 00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:38,610 Roy Cohn speaks, 1422 00:53:38,737 --> 00:53:40,087 uninterrupted, 1423 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:43,177 for 45 minutes. 1424 00:53:43,307 --> 00:53:45,867 Donald Trump was very flippant, 1425 00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:47,695 and one of his comments 1426 00:53:47,833 --> 00:53:49,923 during one of the breaks was, you know, 1427 00:53:50,052 --> 00:53:52,192 "You don't want to live with them, either." 1428 00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:54,836 ♪ 1429 00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:56,230 - Roy assures Donald 1430 00:53:56,363 --> 00:53:57,933 that they can go into this and win. 1431 00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:59,710 They don't. 1432 00:53:59,845 --> 00:54:01,015 They lose. They have to settle 1433 00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:03,110 with the federal government. 1434 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,070 - The Trump Organization-- 1435 00:54:05,198 --> 00:54:06,938 they say, "We didn't admit guilt. 1436 00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:09,859 "We didn't say that we did anything wrong. 1437 00:54:09,985 --> 00:54:11,245 "We settled with the Justice Department 1438 00:54:11,378 --> 00:54:13,158 just to make it go away." 1439 00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,993 To this day, you know, 1440 00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:17,212 you ask Donald Trump about that, 1441 00:54:17,341 --> 00:54:18,821 and he says, "Well, we won that." 1442 00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:20,211 ♪ 1443 00:54:20,344 --> 00:54:22,434 - Of course, that's not true. 1444 00:54:22,563 --> 00:54:25,223 It was a big victory for the Justice Department. 1445 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:27,219 ♪ 1446 00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:29,001 - I think that case, you know, to this day, 1447 00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:31,305 is in--in Trump's mind. 1448 00:54:31,442 --> 00:54:34,362 He hated being accused of discrimination. 1449 00:54:34,488 --> 00:54:35,918 He hated the idea of the government 1450 00:54:36,055 --> 00:54:36,925 going after him and his father... 1451 00:54:37,056 --> 00:54:38,966 ♪ 1452 00:54:39,101 --> 00:54:40,151 And he holds animus towards the government 1453 00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:41,627 to this day. 1454 00:54:41,756 --> 00:54:48,976 ♪ 1455 00:54:49,111 --> 00:54:51,851 [sirens blaring] 1456 00:54:51,984 --> 00:54:53,944 - Standard and Poor's bond rating service 1457 00:54:54,073 --> 00:54:56,163 said today it is absolutely certain 1458 00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:58,253 that New York City will default on its debt. 1459 00:54:58,382 --> 00:55:00,042 - President Ford has been against 1460 00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:01,776 federal help for New York, 1461 00:55:01,907 --> 00:55:03,947 saying it would establish a costly precedent. 1462 00:55:04,083 --> 00:55:06,393 - Default if you must, 1463 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,440 but don't expect help from the federal government. 1464 00:55:09,567 --> 00:55:11,697 - People were fleeing the city, 1465 00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:14,090 and that was when Ford said "Drop dead," 1466 00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:15,363 the famous article. - Right. 1467 00:55:15,486 --> 00:55:16,696 - Yeah. - You know, it wasn't, 1468 00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:18,315 like, that competitive. 1469 00:55:18,445 --> 00:55:20,055 I was wanting to come in, and other people 1470 00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:21,356 were afraid to touch it. - Going the other way. 1471 00:55:21,492 --> 00:55:22,752 - Everybody was on the sidelines 1472 00:55:22,884 --> 00:55:24,364 - They were all gone or bust, 1473 00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:26,105 and--and the city was doing terribly. 1474 00:55:26,235 --> 00:55:27,795 Crime was through the roof. 1475 00:55:27,933 --> 00:55:29,983 [sighs] I didn't think about it, 1476 00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:31,889 because I was counter to the market. 1477 00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:33,464 I was very counter to the-- - Yeah. 1478 00:55:33,591 --> 00:55:34,811 - I've always been counterintuitive. 1479 00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:38,990 ♪ 1480 00:55:39,118 --> 00:55:40,728 - The Manhattan that Donald Trump 1481 00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:43,209 crossed the bridge to fulfill his dreams 1482 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,300 was a Manhattan in pretty sorry shape. 1483 00:55:45,429 --> 00:55:46,779 ♪ 1484 00:55:46,908 --> 00:55:48,948 - Crime was at record height. 1485 00:55:49,084 --> 00:55:51,174 People were afraid. 1486 00:55:51,304 --> 00:55:54,394 The city was near bankruptcy. 1487 00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:56,215 I wrote the column for the "Daily News," 1488 00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:57,963 writing about New York. 1489 00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,103 The attitude in New York 1490 00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:01,966 was a depressing attitude. 1491 00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:03,837 It was a feeling that, 1492 00:56:03,969 --> 00:56:05,669 "Oh, my God, this city's really in danger." 1493 00:56:05,797 --> 00:56:08,627 ♪ 1494 00:56:08,756 --> 00:56:10,276 - In other news, the Penn Central, 1495 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:11,280 which has been running in the red 1496 00:56:11,411 --> 00:56:13,071 for a long time now, 1497 00:56:13,195 --> 00:56:15,415 decided today to sell off some choice real estate, 1498 00:56:15,546 --> 00:56:18,106 including ten blocks in downtown Manhattan. 1499 00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:21,604 They hope to bring in about $1 billion in the deal. 1500 00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:24,156 ♪ 1501 00:56:24,293 --> 00:56:25,993 - Penn Central--most people thought of it 1502 00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:27,651 as two railroad companies, 1503 00:56:27,775 --> 00:56:28,775 but it was really 1504 00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:30,687 a landowning company 1505 00:56:30,822 --> 00:56:32,392 that happened to have some railroads. 1506 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,039 - Railyards were on the market. 1507 00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,134 Grand Central was on the market, 1508 00:56:37,263 --> 00:56:39,183 and even hotel companies. 1509 00:56:39,308 --> 00:56:40,658 It was more or less 1510 00:56:40,788 --> 00:56:41,828 a fire sale. 1511 00:56:41,963 --> 00:56:43,703 ♪ 1512 00:56:43,835 --> 00:56:45,135 - Donald Trump stumbles 1513 00:56:45,271 --> 00:56:46,931 upon an announcement in the press 1514 00:56:47,055 --> 00:56:49,745 that the Commodore Hotel, one of the grand old 1515 00:56:49,884 --> 00:56:52,024 hotel properties of Manhattan, 1516 00:56:52,147 --> 00:56:54,277 is sitting there, unwanted. 1517 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:56,721 - So it was a big deal 1518 00:56:56,848 --> 00:56:59,718 when Donald said he was gonna restore 1519 00:56:59,851 --> 00:57:02,461 a cruddy hotel on 42nd Street. 1520 00:57:02,593 --> 00:57:05,903 - At a time when New Yorkers were reeling, 1521 00:57:06,031 --> 00:57:07,901 were insecure, were frightened, 1522 00:57:08,033 --> 00:57:09,993 here's Donald Trump on the scene, 1523 00:57:10,122 --> 00:57:12,822 bold, optimistic. 1524 00:57:12,951 --> 00:57:14,951 He was kind of a rare 1525 00:57:15,083 --> 00:57:16,223 ray of light 1526 00:57:16,345 --> 00:57:18,125 in a--in a pretty dark scene. 1527 00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:19,910 ♪ 1528 00:57:20,045 --> 00:57:21,865 - He began to play all the players 1529 00:57:22,003 --> 00:57:24,013 against each other. 1530 00:57:24,136 --> 00:57:26,966 To get the property, he went to Penn Central and said, 1531 00:57:27,095 --> 00:57:29,655 "Hey, look, I have the agreement of Hyatt, 1532 00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:31,364 "and they're gonna make this a Hyatt hotel, 1533 00:57:31,491 --> 00:57:33,361 so you should give it to me. I'll renovate it." 1534 00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:34,843 He didn't have the agreement of Hyatt, 1535 00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,243 but he said he did. 1536 00:57:36,365 --> 00:57:37,975 Then he went to Hyatt and said, 1537 00:57:38,106 --> 00:57:39,666 "Hey, I'm the one with the control 1538 00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:41,074 of the property from Penn Central," 1539 00:57:41,196 --> 00:57:42,366 which he didn't have. 1540 00:57:42,502 --> 00:57:44,372 They each bought the story, 1541 00:57:44,504 --> 00:57:46,644 so now he had both the land 1542 00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:48,067 and the name Hyatt 1543 00:57:48,203 --> 00:57:49,123 and their cooperation. 1544 00:57:49,248 --> 00:57:50,898 ♪ 1545 00:57:51,032 --> 00:57:53,212 Now he needed money. 1546 00:57:53,339 --> 00:57:56,169 He goes to the bank and says, "Hey, I've got 1547 00:57:56,298 --> 00:57:58,078 this tax abatement from the government." 1548 00:57:58,213 --> 00:57:59,213 He didn't have it at that point, 1549 00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,995 but he persuaded the bank 1550 00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:02,699 that he did, 1551 00:58:02,827 --> 00:58:04,657 in the ultimate showman kind of way. 1552 00:58:04,785 --> 00:58:07,175 He was being part operator, 1553 00:58:07,309 --> 00:58:09,529 part savvy businessman. 1554 00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:12,710 ♪ 1555 00:58:12,837 --> 00:58:15,617 - Donald Trump came in to see me, 1556 00:58:15,753 --> 00:58:17,763 and he wanted me to exempt his hotel 1557 00:58:17,885 --> 00:58:19,095 from real estate taxes, 1558 00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:21,724 which I had the power to do, 1559 00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:23,936 but I said no, 1560 00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:25,105 because I did not believe, 1561 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,980 and do not believe, 1562 00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:29,942 that a Hyatt hotel on 42nd Street 1563 00:58:30,071 --> 00:58:32,381 would not earn enough money to pay taxes. 1564 00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:36,339 When I said no, he was extremely unpleasant. 1565 00:58:36,469 --> 00:58:38,249 - Donald got very angry, and threatened 1566 00:58:38,384 --> 00:58:40,044 to have him fired. 1567 00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:42,038 - He told me what to do to myself. 1568 00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:43,910 I told him he'd better get out, 1569 00:58:44,042 --> 00:58:46,092 or I'd have him arrested. 1570 00:58:46,218 --> 00:58:48,178 - I think he was worried. 1571 00:58:48,307 --> 00:58:50,217 He needs every little bit of help 1572 00:58:50,352 --> 00:58:51,922 that he can get. 1573 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:53,270 Donald didn't have a lot, 1574 00:58:53,399 --> 00:58:54,919 but he did have one thing: 1575 00:58:55,053 --> 00:58:57,013 his father, 1576 00:58:57,142 --> 00:58:58,672 so he went to his father 1577 00:58:58,796 --> 00:59:00,276 to help him out. 1578 00:59:00,406 --> 00:59:01,836 His father was very close 1579 00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:03,103 to both the governor 1580 00:59:03,235 --> 00:59:04,625 and to the mayor, 1581 00:59:04,758 --> 00:59:07,148 and so he had entrée 1582 00:59:07,282 --> 00:59:09,022 when he wanted to put forward 1583 00:59:09,154 --> 00:59:11,774 this idea of getting a big tax break, 1584 00:59:11,896 --> 00:59:14,196 and so, thanks to his political connections, 1585 00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:16,123 he was able to get the support 1586 00:59:16,248 --> 00:59:19,028 of both the city and the state. 1587 00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:44,280 - Controller? 1588 00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:45,316 - Donald Trump, 1589 00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:47,801 through a complicated series 1590 00:59:47,932 --> 00:59:51,022 of absolute moxie maneuvers, 1591 00:59:51,152 --> 00:59:53,152 managed to get 1592 00:59:53,285 --> 00:59:56,935 a huge, huge tax break. 1593 00:59:57,071 --> 00:59:59,251 - It's been a long, hard fight. How do you feel? 1594 00:59:59,378 --> 01:00:00,948 - Well, I'm very happy, and I think 1595 01:00:01,075 --> 01:00:02,335 the city of New York is going to be very happy. 1596 01:00:02,468 --> 01:00:04,118 We're gonna do something now 1597 01:00:04,252 --> 01:00:05,822 which is going to be a great stride forward 1598 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:06,860 for New York City. 1599 01:00:06,994 --> 01:00:08,174 - Donald Trump 1600 01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:09,690 is a street fighter, 1601 01:00:09,823 --> 01:00:11,783 and Donald Trump wants to win. 1602 01:00:11,912 --> 01:00:15,702 He is the consummate, constant, negotiator. 1603 01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:17,399 - People asked me, "How come? 1604 01:00:17,526 --> 01:00:20,046 How is it that you got 40 years of tax abatement?" 1605 01:00:20,181 --> 01:00:23,011 and I'd always say, "Because I didn't ask for 50." 1606 01:00:23,141 --> 01:00:25,101 - But there was more work to be done. 1607 01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:26,970 ♪ 1608 01:00:27,101 --> 01:00:28,891 Donald Trump, upon the city's demand, 1609 01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:30,666 was required to submit 1610 01:00:30,801 --> 01:00:32,541 the contract that indicated 1611 01:00:32,672 --> 01:00:36,372 he had permission from the Penn Central railroad, 1612 01:00:36,502 --> 01:00:38,032 so Donald said, "Here's my contract 1613 01:00:38,156 --> 01:00:39,326 for the Penn Central." 1614 01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:41,771 No one actually looked at the last page 1615 01:00:41,899 --> 01:00:43,809 to notice it had never been signed. 1616 01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:45,384 ♪ 1617 01:00:45,511 --> 01:00:47,511 So he moved forward on a project 1618 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:51,084 of immense scale, guaranteeing the city 1619 01:00:51,212 --> 01:00:53,172 that he had the legal authority to do it, 1620 01:00:53,301 --> 01:00:54,961 and he did not have the authority. 1621 01:00:55,086 --> 01:00:57,036 ♪ 1622 01:00:57,175 --> 01:00:58,085 - And nobody noticed. - And nobody noticed? 1623 01:00:58,219 --> 01:01:00,049 - Nobody noticed. 1624 01:01:00,178 --> 01:01:02,048 They just said, "Could we see your contract?" 1625 01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,880 so I sent them a contract that was signed by me 1626 01:01:04,008 --> 01:01:05,308 and nobody else, and nobody ever--nobody said, 1627 01:01:05,444 --> 01:01:07,454 "Nobody ever signed the other..." 1628 01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:09,486 - All right, if they had said, "Hey, what--what's going on?" 1629 01:01:09,622 --> 01:01:12,062 would you have copped to it? Would you have said, 1630 01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:13,370 "Well, you didn't tell me--" - I don't know what 1631 01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:15,925 I would've done, and I went through 1632 01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:18,113 all of that stuff to get the tax abatements 1633 01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:20,069 that had never been given in the history of New York 1634 01:01:20,198 --> 01:01:21,198 'cause the city was in trouble, right? 1635 01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:22,849 Where did you hear that story? 1636 01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:25,203 - I... got my in--sources. 1637 01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:28,693 ♪ 1638 01:01:28,815 --> 01:01:30,205 - It's really the model 1639 01:01:30,338 --> 01:01:32,338 that sets up everything that follows, 1640 01:01:32,471 --> 01:01:35,471 the idea of playing one player against the other, 1641 01:01:35,604 --> 01:01:38,964 a fair bit of hucksterism mixed with some business savvy 1642 01:01:39,086 --> 01:01:41,046 to create the buzz, the PR. 1643 01:01:41,175 --> 01:01:43,995 All of that sense of Trump as a force 1644 01:01:44,135 --> 01:01:45,215 comes out of the Hyatt deal. 1645 01:01:45,353 --> 01:01:47,973 ♪ 1646 01:01:48,095 --> 01:01:49,875 - Amid a lot of fanfare, 1647 01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:52,450 the Grand Hyatt held its grand opening today. 1648 01:01:52,578 --> 01:01:53,968 The mayor and the governor of New York 1649 01:01:54,101 --> 01:01:55,231 were among those on hand 1650 01:01:55,363 --> 01:01:57,193 for the ribbon-cutting. 1651 01:01:57,322 --> 01:01:58,982 [cheers and applause] 1652 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:00,666 - Hyatt Regency 1653 01:02:00,804 --> 01:02:02,854 is now an architectural gem 1654 01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:04,720 for all the world to see. 1655 01:02:04,851 --> 01:02:06,901 - Hyatt is a fantastic outfit, 1656 01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:08,287 and all of this is going to combine 1657 01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:10,070 to make probably the most successful hotel-- 1658 01:02:10,204 --> 01:02:11,084 one of them--in the country, we feel. 1659 01:02:11,205 --> 01:02:13,985 - It was fabulous. 1660 01:02:14,121 --> 01:02:16,041 He did it fast and he did it efficient. 1661 01:02:16,167 --> 01:02:17,727 ♪ 1662 01:02:17,864 --> 01:02:20,264 It really gave him a sense of pride 1663 01:02:20,388 --> 01:02:22,998 and a sense that he knew 1664 01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,180 exactly what he was doing. 1665 01:02:25,306 --> 01:02:27,176 The Commodore was the stepping stone 1666 01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:28,788 to the Trump Tower. 1667 01:02:28,919 --> 01:02:30,309 ♪ 1668 01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:36,274 - Friend of mine in the real estate industry 1669 01:02:36,404 --> 01:02:38,494 said "You have the greatest ability 1670 01:02:38,624 --> 01:02:39,934 "to get great locations 1671 01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:41,450 of any human being I've ever seen." 1672 01:02:41,583 --> 01:02:42,673 It's true. 1673 01:02:42,802 --> 01:02:44,672 No matter what it is, 1674 01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:46,684 if you look at any of my projects, 1675 01:02:46,806 --> 01:02:48,156 I have the best locations. 1676 01:02:48,286 --> 01:02:51,806 ♪ 1677 01:02:51,942 --> 01:02:53,902 - One day, so the story goes, 1678 01:02:54,031 --> 01:02:57,381 Donald is looking for an ideal location 1679 01:02:57,512 --> 01:03:00,912 to put up what would become a signature project. 1680 01:03:01,038 --> 01:03:03,478 He's criss-crossing Manhattan in his car, 1681 01:03:03,605 --> 01:03:05,825 looking for that ideal situation. 1682 01:03:05,956 --> 01:03:07,826 ♪ 1683 01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,608 - Suddenly, reaching the corner 1684 01:03:09,742 --> 01:03:12,482 of Fifth Avenue and 56th Street, 1685 01:03:12,614 --> 01:03:15,444 and noticing the Bonwit Teller building, 1686 01:03:15,574 --> 01:03:19,804 an old Art Deco ten-story department store. 1687 01:03:19,926 --> 01:03:21,746 Here is the opportunity 1688 01:03:21,885 --> 01:03:23,405 Donald is looking for, 1689 01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:25,368 and it is at that corner 1690 01:03:25,497 --> 01:03:26,977 that he decides 1691 01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:28,847 "This is where I'm going to stake my future." 1692 01:03:28,979 --> 01:03:30,499 ♪ 1693 01:03:30,632 --> 01:03:33,332 - The finest piece of real estate, 1694 01:03:33,461 --> 01:03:34,941 considered to be the finest piece of real estate 1695 01:03:35,072 --> 01:03:36,812 in the world, is at the corner 1696 01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,683 of Fifth Avenue and 57th Street. 1697 01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:42,205 That's the Tiffany corner of the world. 1698 01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:43,730 - "The New York Times" is reporting 1699 01:03:43,863 --> 01:03:46,433 that Bonwit's is being sold to Donald Trump, 1700 01:03:46,561 --> 01:03:48,831 and that the store could be closed by July. 1701 01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:50,565 ♪ 1702 01:03:50,696 --> 01:03:52,256 - Bonwit gives him a six-month 1703 01:03:52,393 --> 01:03:53,833 $25 million--the option 1704 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,920 to purchase the property. 1705 01:03:56,049 --> 01:03:58,179 He was constantly borrowing money 1706 01:03:58,312 --> 01:03:59,842 from his father during this period 1707 01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:02,396 and he had to get a partner 1708 01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:03,714 Equitable bank, 1709 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,540 because he can't do this alone. 1710 01:04:05,667 --> 01:04:07,317 ♪ 1711 01:04:07,452 --> 01:04:08,712 He just doesn't have the money 1712 01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:11,195 to build his signature tower. 1713 01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:12,845 ♪ 1714 01:04:12,979 --> 01:04:14,849 So now he's got a mortgage, 1715 01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:16,771 the interest clock is ticking, 1716 01:04:16,896 --> 01:04:18,586 he's got a partner 1717 01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,294 that's taking the bulk of the profits. 1718 01:04:20,421 --> 01:04:22,641 He needs every little bit of help 1719 01:04:22,771 --> 01:04:24,431 that he thinks he can get, 1720 01:04:24,556 --> 01:04:28,076 so he, again, latched onto tax breaks. 1721 01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:29,172 ♪ 1722 01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:30,870 - Donald Trump now faces 1723 01:04:30,997 --> 01:04:32,647 the biggest skirmish in his battle 1724 01:04:32,781 --> 01:04:34,611 to build Trump Tower. 1725 01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,610 He's going to come into conflict 1726 01:04:36,742 --> 01:04:38,572 with the mayor of New York City. 1727 01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,310 - The positions that I take 1728 01:04:40,441 --> 01:04:41,791 are not ideological. 1729 01:04:41,921 --> 01:04:43,621 They are reasonable, they are sensible, 1730 01:04:43,749 --> 01:04:46,709 and that's why people support me. 1731 01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:49,489 - Look, Ed Koch was a totally overrated mayor. 1732 01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:50,764 He was a bad guy-- - A few times, you said-- 1733 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,537 - And you can quote me. - Right. 1734 01:04:52,671 --> 01:04:54,411 - Ed Koch was a bad guy. He was a total bully. 1735 01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:55,802 All Ed Koch was concerned about 1736 01:04:55,935 --> 01:04:57,105 was press. 1737 01:04:57,241 --> 01:04:58,681 In other words, 1738 01:04:58,807 --> 01:05:01,327 he wanted to make sure he looked good. 1739 01:05:01,462 --> 01:05:03,772 Ed, go [bleep] yourself. You're a piece of [bleep]. 1740 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:07,600 ♪ 1741 01:05:07,729 --> 01:05:11,599 - The city was offering tax breaks to developers, 1742 01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:12,913 but they were not thinking 1743 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:14,649 that this is the kind of tax break 1744 01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:17,390 they would give away for luxury apartments. 1745 01:05:17,522 --> 01:05:19,262 - This was a program that would be used 1746 01:05:19,393 --> 01:05:21,183 to turn a vacant lot 1747 01:05:21,308 --> 01:05:22,348 into an apartment building 1748 01:05:22,483 --> 01:05:24,623 for the middle class. 1749 01:05:24,746 --> 01:05:26,396 - But here comes this application 1750 01:05:26,531 --> 01:05:28,271 from Donald Trump, 1751 01:05:28,402 --> 01:05:30,452 and the city turns him down. 1752 01:05:30,578 --> 01:05:32,278 He's outraged. 1753 01:05:32,406 --> 01:05:33,706 Trump sues the city, 1754 01:05:33,842 --> 01:05:35,632 so now he's at loggerheads 1755 01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,717 with the Koch administration, 1756 01:05:37,846 --> 01:05:40,586 and that potentially meant a long battle 1757 01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:42,199 that could go on for years. 1758 01:05:42,329 --> 01:05:45,029 ♪ 1759 01:05:45,158 --> 01:05:46,938 - One of the beneficiaries of the abatements 1760 01:05:47,073 --> 01:05:49,253 is real estate developer Donald Trump. 1761 01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:50,730 - I was entitled to that abatement, 1762 01:05:50,859 --> 01:05:53,079 and I am by law entitled to that abatement. 1763 01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:54,340 - Councilman Henry Stern 1764 01:05:54,472 --> 01:05:55,862 and Councilman Robert Wagner Jr. 1765 01:05:55,995 --> 01:05:58,475 opposed it as an excessive gift of public funds. 1766 01:05:58,606 --> 01:05:59,606 ♪ 1767 01:05:59,738 --> 01:06:00,868 I did a weekly show 1768 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,260 between Ruth Messenger, 1769 01:06:02,393 --> 01:06:03,873 who's the city council member 1770 01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:05,743 who was very much against 1771 01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:08,274 giving any tax breaks to businessmen, 1772 01:06:08,399 --> 01:06:10,099 particularly businessmen like him, 1773 01:06:10,227 --> 01:06:11,177 Donald Trump, 1774 01:06:11,315 --> 01:06:12,655 and Trump believed 1775 01:06:12,794 --> 01:06:14,494 in tax breaks, particularly for him. 1776 01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:16,762 - The program has become 1777 01:06:16,885 --> 01:06:18,665 a corporate welfare program. 1778 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,930 - I really think, before you make 1779 01:06:20,063 --> 01:06:21,153 those statements on the air, 1780 01:06:21,281 --> 01:06:22,501 that you should go back 1781 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:23,980 and check your facts and figures. 1782 01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:26,240 - Donald, the statute says very specifically 1783 01:06:26,373 --> 01:06:27,903 that in order to qualify, 1784 01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:29,587 the site on which the residential building 1785 01:06:29,724 --> 01:06:30,734 is going up 1786 01:06:30,856 --> 01:06:32,246 is either vacant, 1787 01:06:32,379 --> 01:06:33,599 predominantly vacant, 1788 01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:34,898 or underutilized. The site on which-- 1789 01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:36,124 - You don't think a ten-story building 1790 01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:37,523 is an underutilization 1791 01:06:37,645 --> 01:06:38,685 when I'm building a 68-story building? 1792 01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:39,730 - Absolutely not. - Oh, I see. 1793 01:06:39,865 --> 01:06:40,735 Okay, okay. - Correct. 1794 01:06:40,866 --> 01:06:41,816 Tell me about it, dear. 1795 01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:43,564 - I had the grand time 1796 01:06:43,695 --> 01:06:45,995 between these two. It was a knife fight. 1797 01:06:46,132 --> 01:06:47,742 - Ruth, I'd like you to-- - We deny the benefit. 1798 01:06:47,873 --> 01:06:49,353 - This ridiculous. To listen to this is just-- 1799 01:06:49,483 --> 01:06:50,483 - I mean, look, at the end of the day, 1800 01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:51,875 there's a toughness to him. 1801 01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,228 I mean, this is a very tough guy. 1802 01:06:54,358 --> 01:06:55,578 I mean, he can take a lot of bullets. 1803 01:06:55,707 --> 01:06:57,187 He can catch bullets in his teeth. 1804 01:06:57,317 --> 01:06:58,487 He can eat broken glass. 1805 01:06:58,623 --> 01:07:00,633 A punch-back sort of a person 1806 01:07:00,755 --> 01:07:02,575 with a armadillo skin. 1807 01:07:02,714 --> 01:07:03,894 - This is just so ridiculous. 1808 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:04,800 You've asked me onto a program 1809 01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:06,153 I'm supposed to be, 1810 01:07:06,283 --> 01:07:07,283 and I listen to this, that-- 1811 01:07:07,414 --> 01:07:08,504 - It's a calling card. 1812 01:07:08,633 --> 01:07:10,903 Attack the person personally. 1813 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,717 Don't give them a quarter. Don't be nice. 1814 01:07:12,854 --> 01:07:14,684 Don't be reasonable. Attack them. 1815 01:07:14,813 --> 01:07:16,253 You have to destroy them, 1816 01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:17,380 because they're gonna destroy you. 1817 01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,041 - If you spent the same time 1818 01:07:19,165 --> 01:07:20,555 trying to clean up our subways and clean up 1819 01:07:20,688 --> 01:07:22,648 the city of crime-- - I do. 1820 01:07:22,777 --> 01:07:24,297 - Well, I don't know that you do, or if you do, 1821 01:07:24,431 --> 01:07:26,221 you're certainly doing a very ineffective job. 1822 01:07:26,346 --> 01:07:28,476 ♪ 1823 01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:32,569 - Sound familiar? 1824 01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:35,750 ♪ 1825 01:07:35,877 --> 01:07:38,577 - When Trump finally got all the permissions he needed 1826 01:07:38,706 --> 01:07:40,396 and was ready to roll on the construction 1827 01:07:40,534 --> 01:07:42,544 of Trump Tower, his pride and joy, 1828 01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,667 he needed to get someone 1829 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,319 who actually knows how to build a building. 1830 01:07:46,453 --> 01:07:48,503 - Donald and I sort of worked together 1831 01:07:48,629 --> 01:07:50,149 while I was working on the Hyatt. 1832 01:07:50,283 --> 01:07:51,553 I was at a fundraiser with my husband, 1833 01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:53,286 and he said to my husband, 1834 01:07:53,417 --> 01:07:55,457 uh, "I'm gonna hire her. She's gonna work for me. 1835 01:07:55,593 --> 01:07:57,423 I'm gonna double her salary," [laughs] 1836 01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,551 and that's how I learned about Trump Tower. 1837 01:07:59,684 --> 01:08:01,644 ♪ 1838 01:08:01,773 --> 01:08:03,513 - She was the first woman to run the construction 1839 01:08:03,644 --> 01:08:06,344 of a major skyscraper. 1840 01:08:06,473 --> 01:08:08,173 Trump was always proud of the fact 1841 01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,611 that he'd put a woman in that position 1842 01:08:09,737 --> 01:08:11,257 and entrusted her 1843 01:08:11,391 --> 01:08:13,131 with this project from beginning to end. 1844 01:08:13,263 --> 01:08:14,793 ♪ 1845 01:08:14,916 --> 01:08:16,436 - Barbara Res had a very tough job. 1846 01:08:16,569 --> 01:08:19,139 It was a culture of macho men. 1847 01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:21,619 A lot of these guys are chauvinistic pigs, 1848 01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:24,709 you know, to be quite honest. 1849 01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:27,099 - There were no women in the construction industry. 1850 01:08:27,233 --> 01:08:28,673 You could count them on one hand, 1851 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,500 er, and even if you lost a few fingers. 1852 01:08:30,628 --> 01:08:32,238 ♪ 1853 01:08:32,369 --> 01:08:33,809 He said something to me. 1854 01:08:33,934 --> 01:08:36,114 He said, "Men are better than women, 1855 01:08:36,242 --> 01:08:37,642 "but a good woman 1856 01:08:37,764 --> 01:08:39,464 is better than ten good men," 1857 01:08:39,593 --> 01:08:41,473 and he meant that as a compliment. 1858 01:08:41,594 --> 01:08:43,124 ♪ 1859 01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:46,379 Donald trusted me implicitly, 1860 01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:48,473 and he respected people 1861 01:08:48,602 --> 01:08:50,602 that told him things the way they were, 1862 01:08:50,735 --> 01:08:52,425 and it was not easy to do that, 1863 01:08:52,563 --> 01:08:53,433 because when you stood up to him, 1864 01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:55,174 you got--you got hammered. 1865 01:08:55,305 --> 01:08:57,125 ♪ 1866 01:08:57,263 --> 01:08:59,003 He said to me, "You know, you're a killer," 1867 01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:00,305 and--[laughs] 1868 01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:01,700 I later learned that his father 1869 01:09:01,833 --> 01:09:04,143 actually used that expression with him, 1870 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:05,880 that people should be killers. 1871 01:09:06,011 --> 01:09:08,411 ♪ 1872 01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,275 I thought, and I quickly confirmed it-- 1873 01:09:10,407 --> 01:09:12,277 he was very inexperienced. 1874 01:09:12,408 --> 01:09:15,148 He really didn't know much about construction at all, 1875 01:09:15,281 --> 01:09:17,721 but I thought that he was intelligent. 1876 01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:19,369 Didn't have to tell him a hundred times, 1877 01:09:19,503 --> 01:09:20,683 and with him, that was a good thing, 1878 01:09:20,808 --> 01:09:22,378 'cause he could only listen once, 1879 01:09:22,505 --> 01:09:24,065 if you were lucky, and you got him to listen 1880 01:09:24,202 --> 01:09:25,422 to a whole story. 1881 01:09:25,551 --> 01:09:29,081 ♪ 1882 01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:31,428 - Once the project got the green light, 1883 01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:33,558 Donald Trump confronted the next problem, 1884 01:09:33,691 --> 01:09:35,741 which was, "How do we take down 1885 01:09:35,867 --> 01:09:38,567 this ten-story department store?" 1886 01:09:38,696 --> 01:09:41,606 - Most famously, that building had this facade 1887 01:09:41,742 --> 01:09:43,882 of gorgeous sculptures 1888 01:09:44,005 --> 01:09:46,615 that were the hallmark of Bonwit Teller, 1889 01:09:46,746 --> 01:09:49,446 one of the most prized architectural features 1890 01:09:49,576 --> 01:09:51,226 on Fifth Avenue. 1891 01:09:51,361 --> 01:09:53,971 - These stone relief sculptures 1892 01:09:54,102 --> 01:09:55,542 at the top of the building 1893 01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:58,369 were very stylized, 1894 01:09:58,498 --> 01:10:00,588 very naked, dancers 1895 01:10:00,718 --> 01:10:02,938 with long scarves. 1896 01:10:03,068 --> 01:10:04,158 ♪ 1897 01:10:04,287 --> 01:10:05,417 - Trump made a deal 1898 01:10:05,549 --> 01:10:08,379 to remove this piece of art 1899 01:10:08,508 --> 01:10:10,598 carefully from the façade of the building 1900 01:10:10,728 --> 01:10:12,728 and give it to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1901 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:14,430 and this would be a compromise. 1902 01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:17,208 The--the great landmark art would be saved, 1903 01:10:17,343 --> 01:10:18,523 and Trump would be able to go ahead 1904 01:10:18,648 --> 01:10:19,608 and demolish the building. 1905 01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:26,697 ♪ 1906 01:10:28,353 --> 01:10:30,753 In order to get the demolition done cheaply, 1907 01:10:30,878 --> 01:10:33,578 Donald Trump, as he often did, found 1908 01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:35,617 the lowest-bidding company he could. 1909 01:10:35,753 --> 01:10:39,023 - He hired a Polish demolition company 1910 01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:41,587 which turned out to employ 1911 01:10:41,715 --> 01:10:44,145 immigrants who were undocumented. 1912 01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:45,812 - They were being paid, essentially, 1913 01:10:45,937 --> 01:10:48,637 less than $5 an hour, when they got cash, 1914 01:10:48,766 --> 01:10:50,416 'cause some of them said they were being paid in vodka. 1915 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:52,340 ♪ 1916 01:10:52,465 --> 01:10:54,635 They did the work-- 12- to 18-hour days. 1917 01:10:54,772 --> 01:10:57,212 - And it's dangerous, dirty work. 1918 01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:59,730 You're dismantling concrete, 1919 01:10:59,864 --> 01:11:02,264 debris falling down on you. 1920 01:11:02,388 --> 01:11:03,648 - They had nowhere to live. 1921 01:11:03,781 --> 01:11:05,351 They were sleeping on the floor 1922 01:11:05,478 --> 01:11:07,868 of the Bonwit Teller store at night. 1923 01:11:08,002 --> 01:11:11,352 - And all of this was done at breakneck pace. 1924 01:11:11,484 --> 01:11:13,574 ♪ 1925 01:11:13,704 --> 01:11:15,624 - And then one afternoon, one of the directors 1926 01:11:15,749 --> 01:11:17,059 of the Metropolitan Museum of Art 1927 01:11:17,184 --> 01:11:18,404 gets a call at her office, 1928 01:11:18,535 --> 01:11:20,145 and she's told 1929 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,366 Donald Trump is destroying the frieze. 1930 01:11:22,495 --> 01:11:24,575 ♪ 1931 01:11:24,715 --> 01:11:26,405 - I got into a taxi, 1932 01:11:26,543 --> 01:11:29,073 got into a classic 1933 01:11:29,197 --> 01:11:31,677 New York City traffic jam. 1934 01:11:31,809 --> 01:11:34,159 I was nine months pregnant at the time... 1935 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:35,420 ♪ 1936 01:11:35,552 --> 01:11:36,772 But I got out of the cab 1937 01:11:36,901 --> 01:11:38,291 and I ran for ten blocks. 1938 01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:41,254 I'll never forget that run. 1939 01:11:41,384 --> 01:11:43,174 Got out on 56th Street. 1940 01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:46,259 ♪ 1941 01:11:46,389 --> 01:11:49,169 [debris clattering] 1942 01:11:49,305 --> 01:11:51,215 ♪ 1943 01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:54,350 And we watched them being jackhammered. 1944 01:11:54,484 --> 01:11:59,054 ♪ 1945 01:11:59,184 --> 01:12:01,494 I was furious. [laughs] 1946 01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:06,061 ♪ 1947 01:12:06,191 --> 01:12:08,021 The Trump Organization 1948 01:12:08,148 --> 01:12:10,718 could've asked the Met for help 1949 01:12:10,848 --> 01:12:14,198 in taking the pieces down and removing them... 1950 01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:15,200 ♪ 1951 01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:16,381 And they didn't. 1952 01:12:16,505 --> 01:12:19,725 ♪ 1953 01:12:19,857 --> 01:12:21,117 - You were recently the object 1954 01:12:21,249 --> 01:12:22,509 of a lot of controversy 1955 01:12:22,642 --> 01:12:23,952 because you ordered destroyed 1956 01:12:24,077 --> 01:12:25,467 some sculptures on the-- 1957 01:12:25,602 --> 01:12:27,132 a building that you bought 1958 01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:28,555 that the Metropolitan Art Museum wanted. 1959 01:12:28,692 --> 01:12:30,222 Why did you have those destroyed, first of all, 1960 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:31,606 and what happens to the look of the city? 1961 01:12:31,737 --> 01:12:33,697 - As an art building, or an Art Deco building, 1962 01:12:33,827 --> 01:12:35,657 it really was not worth very much, 1963 01:12:35,786 --> 01:12:37,256 and we did take it down, 1964 01:12:37,396 --> 01:12:38,616 and there was somewhat of an outcry, 1965 01:12:38,745 --> 01:12:41,045 but I think that's generally subsided. 1966 01:12:41,182 --> 01:12:42,752 ♪ 1967 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,400 - He gets a bunch of bad publicity, 1968 01:12:44,534 --> 01:12:45,934 but in his mind, it's all good publicity, 1969 01:12:46,057 --> 01:12:49,227 because here he's seen as this force of progress, 1970 01:12:49,365 --> 01:12:52,795 this guy who's bulling his way through all this red tape 1971 01:12:52,933 --> 01:12:55,073 and all these fussy artist types 1972 01:12:55,196 --> 01:12:57,196 in order to get his building built, 1973 01:12:57,329 --> 01:13:00,069 and to k--get the commerce of New York moving again. 1974 01:13:02,202 --> 01:13:03,642 - Very carefully, Donald is putting 1975 01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:05,380 all the pieces in place 1976 01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:07,511 for this signature project, 1977 01:13:07,644 --> 01:13:11,044 but he's also borrowing money all over the place. 1978 01:13:11,169 --> 01:13:12,519 While he often portrays himself 1979 01:13:12,648 --> 01:13:14,168 as sort of a self-made man, 1980 01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:15,572 the only money he had 1981 01:13:15,695 --> 01:13:17,475 is what he borrowed from his father. 1982 01:13:17,610 --> 01:13:20,400 - Fred Trump was nervous. 1983 01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:22,396 He was co-signing all the loans. 1984 01:13:22,528 --> 01:13:24,268 He was the one. It was his money. 1985 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,710 ♪ 1986 01:13:25,835 --> 01:13:28,055 - Fred Trump was involved 1987 01:13:28,186 --> 01:13:29,616 in the Trump Tower project. 1988 01:13:29,753 --> 01:13:31,803 That's how I met him. I remember, he was-- 1989 01:13:31,929 --> 01:13:34,019 he didn't like me. I'm--let's put this way. 1990 01:13:34,148 --> 01:13:36,058 He hated me. 1991 01:13:36,193 --> 01:13:37,853 He hated the very notion 1992 01:13:37,978 --> 01:13:40,068 that a woman would be working in construction 1993 01:13:40,198 --> 01:13:42,028 to begin with, and much less 1994 01:13:42,156 --> 01:13:43,066 be in charge of a project 1995 01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:44,771 that was his son's project, 1996 01:13:44,898 --> 01:13:47,508 so, uh, we were like, "Ah! Ah!" 1997 01:13:47,639 --> 01:13:49,469 He would say, "Oh, no, that's all wrong. 1998 01:13:49,599 --> 01:13:51,599 You don't know what you're doing." 1999 01:13:51,731 --> 01:13:53,521 But I went to Donald. I said, 2000 01:13:53,646 --> 01:13:55,336 "You've got to get your fathr off of my back. 2001 01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:57,524 He's driving me crazy," and he--he said to me, 2002 01:13:57,650 --> 01:14:00,780 "Suck it up, baby," in so many words, 2003 01:14:00,914 --> 01:14:03,924 because, you know, he was putting up with him, too. 2004 01:14:04,048 --> 01:14:05,568 ♪ 2005 01:14:05,702 --> 01:14:07,092 - Most buildings, by the time 2006 01:14:07,225 --> 01:14:08,525 the Trump Tower was built, 2007 01:14:08,661 --> 01:14:11,451 were using steel to put structures up, 2008 01:14:11,577 --> 01:14:13,837 and what was unusual about Trump Tower 2009 01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:16,671 was that it was largely built out of concrete. 2010 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,760 ♪ 2011 01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:20,629 - What we were doing was what's called a fast track, 2012 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,410 which is you build it 2013 01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:24,845 before it's completely designed, 2014 01:14:24,982 --> 01:14:27,252 and it was a concrete building, which was great, 2015 01:14:27,375 --> 01:14:29,855 because you design it one day, and you can pour it the next. 2016 01:14:29,987 --> 01:14:31,287 ♪ 2017 01:14:31,423 --> 01:14:33,213 - Most of the contracting 2018 01:14:33,338 --> 01:14:34,638 in the construction industry in New York 2019 01:14:34,773 --> 01:14:36,993 was controlled, to a large extent, 2020 01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:38,434 by the mob, 2021 01:14:38,561 --> 01:14:40,561 specifically the concrete business. 2022 01:14:40,693 --> 01:14:43,523 - Business that you could call Mafia, Inc. 2023 01:14:43,653 --> 01:14:44,743 - They are said to run the most powerful 2024 01:14:44,871 --> 01:14:46,131 crime families in New York. 2025 01:14:46,264 --> 01:14:47,534 - Federal investigators say 2026 01:14:47,657 --> 01:14:49,217 the mob controls the concrete workers 2027 01:14:49,353 --> 01:14:50,533 in the construction industry. 2028 01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:51,970 ♪ 2029 01:14:52,096 --> 01:14:53,486 - My name is Michael Franzese, 2030 01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:55,059 and, uh, you can call me Michael. 2031 01:14:55,186 --> 01:14:56,056 That's fine. 2032 01:14:58,798 --> 01:15:00,148 - You know, former caporegime 2033 01:15:00,278 --> 01:15:01,498 in the Colombo crime family 2034 01:15:01,627 --> 01:15:03,147 is, uh, a normal moniker for me, 2035 01:15:03,281 --> 01:15:05,331 and, uh, 2036 01:15:05,457 --> 01:15:07,847 I guess for this purpose, 2037 01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:10,381 it's probably the best way to address it. 2038 01:15:10,505 --> 01:15:12,725 ♪ 2039 01:15:12,856 --> 01:15:14,466 Basically, the mob controlled 2040 01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:15,677 all the concrete business 2041 01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:17,335 in the city of New York. 2042 01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:19,249 ♪ 2043 01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:21,694 Because Trump Tower was a concrete building, 2044 01:15:21,821 --> 01:15:24,041 you know, it was a big score for us guys. 2045 01:15:24,171 --> 01:15:25,701 ♪ 2046 01:15:25,825 --> 01:15:27,255 You know, and I want to be clear. 2047 01:15:27,392 --> 01:15:28,702 I'm not saying that, you know, 2048 01:15:28,827 --> 01:15:30,607 Trump was in bed with the mob. 2049 01:15:30,743 --> 01:15:33,053 I'm not saying that he was one of our guys, 2050 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,660 but he certainly had a deal with us. 2051 01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:36,311 I mean, he didn't have a choice, 2052 01:15:36,443 --> 01:15:38,713 so in that regard, he did. 2053 01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:40,798 ♪ 2054 01:15:40,927 --> 01:15:44,577 - In 1982, there was a major stoppage 2055 01:15:44,714 --> 01:15:46,674 among all the concrete providers. 2056 01:15:46,803 --> 01:15:48,333 - Everybody's worried. 2057 01:15:48,456 --> 01:15:50,326 A lot of developers are in a bind now. 2058 01:15:50,458 --> 01:15:52,328 There's a delay in their construction. 2059 01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:54,160 - When it occurred, we were in the process 2060 01:15:54,288 --> 01:15:55,418 of pouring concrete 2061 01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:57,070 to get the main structure up, 2062 01:15:57,204 --> 01:15:59,084 and every day that you lose 2063 01:15:59,206 --> 01:16:00,766 that goes by is a day delayed, 2064 01:16:00,904 --> 01:16:02,694 and, uh, it costs money for Donald, 2065 01:16:02,818 --> 01:16:04,688 - They're not gonna beat us. 2066 01:16:04,821 --> 01:16:06,691 I mean, we can hold out as long as we wanna hold out, 2067 01:16:06,823 --> 01:16:09,303 so, you know, eventually, they have to come around. 2068 01:16:09,434 --> 01:16:11,614 ♪ 2069 01:16:11,741 --> 01:16:14,261 - John Cody was a union boss 2070 01:16:14,395 --> 01:16:17,265 who lived on the dividing line 2071 01:16:17,398 --> 01:16:20,228 between the union and the mob. 2072 01:16:20,358 --> 01:16:23,488 Cody was a guy who could make things go well for you, 2073 01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:25,621 or he could make things go poorly for you. 2074 01:16:25,755 --> 01:16:27,575 ♪ 2075 01:16:27,713 --> 01:16:29,673 - It's an interesting questin as to why, 2076 01:16:29,802 --> 01:16:32,282 when every other developer in New York 2077 01:16:32,413 --> 01:16:34,153 can't get access to concrete, 2078 01:16:34,285 --> 01:16:36,065 Donald Trump is still able 2079 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,460 to just move along swimmingly. 2080 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:39,333 ♪ 2081 01:16:39,464 --> 01:16:41,294 - One of the things that Cody was able 2082 01:16:41,422 --> 01:16:43,512 to do for Trump was make sure 2083 01:16:43,642 --> 01:16:45,732 that drivers continued to deliver 2084 01:16:45,862 --> 01:16:47,302 concrete to the site. 2085 01:16:47,428 --> 01:16:51,558 ♪ 2086 01:16:51,693 --> 01:16:54,173 - You have to be able to deal with many different things 2087 01:16:54,305 --> 01:16:57,395 to be able to be a successful developer. 2088 01:16:57,525 --> 01:16:59,695 You have to be able to deal with the unions. 2089 01:16:59,832 --> 01:17:03,492 - And concrete guys who are mobbed-up. 2090 01:17:03,619 --> 01:17:05,139 - You have to get-- you get along 2091 01:17:05,272 --> 01:17:06,492 with these people. You had no choice. 2092 01:17:06,621 --> 01:17:08,191 There's nobody else to do it. 2093 01:17:08,318 --> 01:17:10,228 ♪ 2094 01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:12,284 - Trump struck a deal 2095 01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:13,980 with John Cody, 2096 01:17:14,107 --> 01:17:15,667 and Mr. Cody was able 2097 01:17:15,805 --> 01:17:18,325 to get an apartment for his mistress 2098 01:17:18,459 --> 01:17:19,639 in Trump Tower. 2099 01:17:19,764 --> 01:17:21,554 ♪ 2100 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,160 - She was given a very prominent apartment 2101 01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:26,471 on a high floor of Trump Tower, 2102 01:17:26,598 --> 01:17:28,728 and she had one demand, 2103 01:17:28,861 --> 01:17:30,251 and that was she wanted 2104 01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:31,824 a swimming pool in her apartment. 2105 01:17:31,951 --> 01:17:34,261 Trump Tower did not come with a swimming pool. 2106 01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:35,478 ♪ 2107 01:17:35,607 --> 01:17:37,257 So Trump went in and had 2108 01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:39,221 that part of the building reinforced 2109 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:41,350 so that it could hold the weight 2110 01:17:41,482 --> 01:17:43,222 of a swimming pool and all the water in it. 2111 01:17:43,353 --> 01:17:45,753 ♪ 2112 01:17:45,878 --> 01:17:49,528 - This is the world Trump operated in... 2113 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:50,615 ♪ 2114 01:17:50,753 --> 01:17:52,623 And shortly before 2115 01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:55,015 Trump Tower was finished, 2116 01:17:55,148 --> 01:17:57,148 Cody was convicted of racketeering 2117 01:17:57,281 --> 01:17:58,201 and sent to prison. 2118 01:17:58,325 --> 01:18:01,365 ♪ 2119 01:18:01,502 --> 01:18:03,642 - I don't like getting close to people like that, 2120 01:18:03,766 --> 01:18:05,766 but they respected me. 2121 01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:08,118 - And a lot of this is relationships. 2122 01:18:08,248 --> 01:18:10,078 - A lot of it is re-- well, a lot of life 2123 01:18:10,207 --> 01:18:11,637 is relationship--a lot of what I've done 2124 01:18:11,773 --> 01:18:13,433 is relationship. A lot of great things 2125 01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:15,298 that have happened to me 2126 01:18:15,429 --> 01:18:16,559 happened to me because of relationship. 2127 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:17,082 ♪ 2128 01:18:21,434 --> 01:18:22,484 - Millionaire real estate developer Donald Trump 2129 01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:24,090 will get a handsome tax break 2130 01:18:24,221 --> 01:18:26,441 for his latest project on Fifth Avenue. 2131 01:18:26,571 --> 01:18:28,141 - In the case of Trump Tower, 2132 01:18:28,268 --> 01:18:30,438 he engaged the city in a big battle 2133 01:18:30,575 --> 01:18:32,175 over getting this deal, 2134 01:18:32,316 --> 01:18:33,316 and in the end, 2135 01:18:33,447 --> 01:18:35,007 there was a fair umpire 2136 01:18:35,145 --> 01:18:37,055 in the Court of Appeals of New York State, 2137 01:18:37,190 --> 01:18:38,500 and he won, fair and square, 2138 01:18:38,626 --> 01:18:41,056 and got his tax abatement. 2139 01:18:41,193 --> 01:18:45,463 ♪ 2140 01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:47,200 - Well, here we are on the top 2141 01:18:47,331 --> 01:18:48,941 of the Trump Tower. Today is the topping-off 2142 01:18:49,072 --> 01:18:50,992 of this fabulous building. 2143 01:18:51,117 --> 01:18:53,417 - When they finally finished the Trump Tower, 2144 01:18:53,554 --> 01:18:56,344 Donald took the opportunity to have a topping-off party. 2145 01:18:56,469 --> 01:18:58,119 - This is the greatest skyline in the world, 2146 01:18:58,255 --> 01:18:59,775 so this is a great addition to New York skyline. 2147 01:18:59,909 --> 01:19:01,259 - What do you think about the view? 2148 01:19:01,388 --> 01:19:02,998 It's pretty nice from up here, isn't it? 2149 01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:04,089 - I've always wanted to look down on General Motors, 2150 01:19:04,217 --> 01:19:05,517 and the-- - [laughs] 2151 01:19:05,653 --> 01:19:07,223 It was quite exciting, being on the top 2152 01:19:07,351 --> 01:19:09,051 of the building when they finished it off, 2153 01:19:09,179 --> 01:19:11,009 put the last cornerstone in, 2154 01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,527 and everybody was there with balloons, 2155 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:15,840 and it was quite a fanfare. 2156 01:19:15,968 --> 01:19:18,278 Trump Tower was the biggest moment 2157 01:19:18,405 --> 01:19:19,965 in Donald's life. 2158 01:19:20,103 --> 01:19:21,233 ♪ 2159 01:19:21,365 --> 01:19:22,405 - Eight years ago, I must say, 2160 01:19:22,540 --> 01:19:23,930 I was embarrassed to say I was 2161 01:19:24,063 --> 01:19:25,633 in the real estate business in New York. 2162 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,631 Today, I can honestly say I'm proud of it, 2163 01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:29,813 and it's the number one city in the world, 2164 01:19:29,939 --> 01:19:31,589 and I say a large part of that 2165 01:19:31,723 --> 01:19:33,903 is due to the tremendous abilities 2166 01:19:34,030 --> 01:19:35,070 of Mayor Koch. I think he's done 2167 01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:36,075 a tremendous job. - Thank you. 2168 01:19:36,206 --> 01:19:37,636 - Thank you very much. 2169 01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,083 - Yeah, all the media were there 2170 01:19:39,209 --> 01:19:40,859 covering this, and, um, 2171 01:19:40,993 --> 01:19:42,083 Ed Koch gave a speech, 2172 01:19:42,212 --> 01:19:43,262 which was so funny, 2173 01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:44,647 because they hated each other. 2174 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:46,910 - And may the windows of this building 2175 01:19:47,043 --> 01:19:47,913 forever look out 2176 01:19:48,044 --> 01:19:49,484 upon a place of peace 2177 01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:50,570 and prosperity. 2178 01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:52,258 - Very nice. Thank you, sir. 2179 01:19:52,396 --> 01:19:55,136 Very nice. Very good--nice. Very... 2180 01:19:55,268 --> 01:19:56,488 - Mr. Trump, what are your sentiments today 2181 01:19:56,617 --> 01:19:58,047 regarding the whole celebration? 2182 01:19:58,184 --> 01:19:59,064 - A very happy day. 2183 01:19:59,184 --> 01:20:01,364 The com--the completion 2184 01:20:01,492 --> 01:20:03,892 of the tallest concrete building 2185 01:20:04,016 --> 01:20:05,926 in the city of New York. 2186 01:20:06,062 --> 01:20:07,982 - How are the sales going? 2187 01:20:08,107 --> 01:20:09,497 - Uh, well, I have nothing to do with sales, 2188 01:20:09,630 --> 01:20:11,590 but they--I hear they're going excellent. 2189 01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:14,589 Fantastic. Unbelievable. 2190 01:20:14,722 --> 01:20:17,122 - I think Fred Trump was authentically proud 2191 01:20:17,246 --> 01:20:19,506 of Donald's early successes 2192 01:20:19,639 --> 01:20:21,159 in New York. 2193 01:20:21,294 --> 01:20:23,084 He was amazed that his little boy 2194 01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:25,559 had graduated from Queens 2195 01:20:25,690 --> 01:20:29,000 into a premiere address in Manhattan 2196 01:20:29,128 --> 01:20:31,258 and was able to build a landmark tower 2197 01:20:31,391 --> 01:20:32,351 with the family name on it. 2198 01:20:32,478 --> 01:20:35,308 ♪ 2199 01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,529 - I remember we were going up to New York 2200 01:20:37,657 --> 01:20:39,137 on spring break 2201 01:20:39,269 --> 01:20:40,619 and I asked my son 2202 01:20:40,748 --> 01:20:42,268 what he wanted to do in New York, 2203 01:20:42,402 --> 01:20:43,492 what he wanted to see, 2204 01:20:43,621 --> 01:20:44,971 and he said, most of all, 2205 01:20:45,101 --> 01:20:46,581 he wanted to go see 2206 01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:48,450 the lobby of Trump Tower, 2207 01:20:48,582 --> 01:20:50,022 and sure enough, we did it, 2208 01:20:50,148 --> 01:20:52,018 and we were all pretty impressed. 2209 01:20:52,151 --> 01:20:54,331 - I remember walking in and looking up, 2210 01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:56,628 and seeing this escalator and seeing the fountains, 2211 01:20:56,764 --> 01:20:59,514 and feeling that I was, you know, as an outsider, 2212 01:20:59,637 --> 01:21:01,467 as a--as a Brit, 2213 01:21:01,594 --> 01:21:04,734 that this was the apotheosis of big, glitzy, 2214 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,510 you know, vulgar, if you like, Americana, and I loved it... 2215 01:21:07,645 --> 01:21:10,515 ♪ 2216 01:21:10,648 --> 01:21:12,958 Because, you know, that's what was fun about America. 2217 01:21:13,085 --> 01:21:14,165 ♪ 2218 01:21:14,304 --> 01:21:15,134 It was kind of the Liberace 2219 01:21:15,261 --> 01:21:16,131 of buildings, really, 2220 01:21:16,262 --> 01:21:18,222 if you like. [laughs] 2221 01:21:18,351 --> 01:21:22,441 - Here is Donald being lauded for this great achievement, 2222 01:21:22,573 --> 01:21:25,583 but obviously, absent from the celebration 2223 01:21:25,706 --> 01:21:29,096 is Donald's elder brother, 2224 01:21:29,232 --> 01:21:30,932 Fred Jr. 2225 01:21:31,059 --> 01:21:37,629 ♪ 2226 01:21:37,762 --> 01:21:41,202 As a pilot, Fred Jr. continues to struggle 2227 01:21:41,331 --> 01:21:43,071 with what, in retrospect, 2228 01:21:43,202 --> 01:21:45,202 will be seen as a lifelong battle 2229 01:21:45,335 --> 01:21:47,155 with alcohol, 2230 01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:49,643 and he falls out of grace with the airlines 2231 01:21:49,773 --> 01:21:52,913 and cannot function as a pilot anymore. 2232 01:21:53,038 --> 01:21:55,208 By this time in his life, 2233 01:21:55,344 --> 01:21:57,434 it's been communicated by his father 2234 01:21:57,564 --> 01:21:59,264 and by his brother 2235 01:21:59,392 --> 01:22:02,572 that they don't expect much from him. 2236 01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:05,270 He winds up moving home 2237 01:22:05,398 --> 01:22:08,308 and into the family mansion 2238 01:22:08,445 --> 01:22:11,095 and is essentially a handyman 2239 01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:14,100 for the Trump properties, 2240 01:22:14,233 --> 01:22:16,243 ordered about by his father, 2241 01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:19,196 asked to do menial tasks. 2242 01:22:19,325 --> 01:22:21,545 - He was intended to be the heir to the throne 2243 01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:24,325 of the Trump Organization, 2244 01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:26,550 but from this point on, 2245 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,120 he really did start to spiral downward 2246 01:22:28,246 --> 01:22:29,806 more rapidly. 2247 01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,505 ♪ 2248 01:22:31,642 --> 01:22:33,382 - Fred was a great guy, but, you know, 2249 01:22:33,513 --> 01:22:34,953 he had an alcohol problem. - Yeah. 2250 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,040 - Okay. And he was such 2251 01:22:37,169 --> 01:22:39,259 an amazing guy, and the best personality-- 2252 01:22:39,389 --> 01:22:40,959 best-looking guy you'll ever see, 2253 01:22:41,085 --> 01:22:42,345 and you know, he had a lot of things, 2254 01:22:42,478 --> 01:22:43,698 but he had an alcohol problem. 2255 01:22:43,827 --> 01:22:46,347 - I never really thought of his having 2256 01:22:46,483 --> 01:22:48,093 a problem with drinking 2257 01:22:48,224 --> 01:22:51,534 really until the last time I saw him, 2258 01:22:51,662 --> 01:22:55,102 and that was in the hospital of Manhattan. 2259 01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:56,971 He kept saying, 2260 01:22:57,102 --> 01:22:59,372 "I've got to get off the sauce. 2261 01:22:59,496 --> 01:23:02,106 I've got to get off the sauce." 2262 01:23:02,237 --> 01:23:09,157 ♪ 2263 01:23:13,684 --> 01:23:16,954 - His passing is the first real loss 2264 01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,039 in Donald's life, 2265 01:23:19,168 --> 01:23:22,208 but Donald viewed Fred Jr.'s death 2266 01:23:22,344 --> 01:23:25,354 as an example of weakness, 2267 01:23:25,478 --> 01:23:27,388 of what happens when you're not tough enough, 2268 01:23:27,523 --> 01:23:30,313 when you don't fight, when you don't strike back. 2269 01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,270 It's just a fact of life 2270 01:23:32,398 --> 01:23:35,178 that some people win and some people lose, 2271 01:23:35,314 --> 01:23:37,104 and they may be brothers, 2272 01:23:37,228 --> 01:23:41,148 but they're still winners and losers. 2273 01:23:41,277 --> 01:23:42,837 What his father taught him, 2274 01:23:42,974 --> 01:23:44,504 that he was a killer, 2275 01:23:44,628 --> 01:23:46,278 turned out to be true. 2276 01:23:46,412 --> 01:23:48,942 Donald Trump had made all of this happen. 2277 01:23:49,067 --> 01:23:51,287 He was not yet 40 years old, 2278 01:23:51,416 --> 01:23:54,416 and he was a force to be reckoned with 2279 01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:56,290 on the island of Manhattan. 2280 01:23:56,422 --> 01:23:58,992 There was no greater proof 2281 01:23:59,121 --> 01:24:01,211 that could be offered by life 2282 01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:04,470 of the excellence of the Trump method 2283 01:24:04,603 --> 01:24:07,393 and the superiority of his own talents 2284 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,180 than the completion of this grand project. 2285 01:24:11,307 --> 01:24:14,437 - By the way, uh, he is a chip off the old block. 2286 01:24:14,571 --> 01:24:16,011 This is-- - My father, Fred Trump. 2287 01:24:16,138 --> 01:24:18,048 - Right. 2288 01:24:18,183 --> 01:24:19,323 - You were gonna say somethig about your dad. 2289 01:24:19,445 --> 01:24:21,005 You said-- - He was very difficult 2290 01:24:21,143 --> 01:24:22,493 to work with. Number one, he was 2291 01:24:22,621 --> 01:24:24,411 a very tough man, 2292 01:24:24,537 --> 01:24:27,187 but he was also a--a man 2293 01:24:27,323 --> 01:24:28,893 that would never let anything go. 2294 01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:30,500 He was a very strong man. 2295 01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:33,630 He was a very detail-oriented perso, 2296 01:24:33,764 --> 01:24:35,204 but I did great deals for him. 2297 01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:36,381 In fact, he gave a statement 2298 01:24:36,505 --> 01:24:37,855 to "BusinessWeek" magazine 2299 01:24:37,985 --> 01:24:39,465 many, many years ago. 2300 01:24:39,596 --> 01:24:41,896 "Everything Donald touches turns to gold." 2301 01:24:42,032 --> 01:24:44,992 ♪ 2302 01:24:45,123 --> 01:24:46,563 - Donald Trump was never a man 2303 01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:48,870 who was dying to settle down. 2304 01:25:00,312 --> 01:25:03,272 ♪ 2305 01:25:03,402 --> 01:25:06,582 - The name Marla Maples came up shortly after that. 2306 01:25:06,710 --> 01:25:09,150 No guy likes talking about affairs, by the way. 2307 01:25:09,278 --> 01:25:11,018 [laughs] 2308 01:25:11,148 --> 01:25:12,928 - It had sex, it had beauty, 2309 01:25:13,064 --> 01:25:14,814 it had bazillions of bucks. 2310 01:25:14,934 --> 01:25:16,374 It had everything. 2311 01:25:16,502 --> 01:25:18,422 - The attention he got in the media 2312 01:25:18,548 --> 01:25:21,508 actually made him feel alive. 2313 01:25:21,638 --> 01:25:23,548 ♪ 2314 01:25:23,683 --> 01:25:25,383 - Boy, there's a lot of coverage there. 2315 01:25:25,511 --> 01:25:27,081 - Then gradually, of course, 2316 01:25:27,209 --> 01:25:28,509 things got out of control. 2317 01:25:28,645 --> 01:25:29,815 ♪ 2318 01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:31,300 - He was frightened. 2319 01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:33,480 Trump was staring at destroying 2320 01:25:33,606 --> 01:25:35,346 not only his own legacy, 2321 01:25:35,478 --> 01:25:37,178 but his father's legacy as well. 2322 01:25:37,306 --> 01:25:39,306 - But you have said that if you ran for president, 2323 01:25:39,438 --> 01:25:41,088 you'd win. - I think I'd have 2324 01:25:41,223 --> 01:25:42,533 a very good chance. I mean, I like to win. 2325 01:25:42,659 --> 01:25:45,049 - He's one of the greatest shows on Earth, 2326 01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:46,403 you don't know what he's going to do next, 2327 01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:51,102 and you can't stop watching. 2328 01:25:51,152 --> 01:25:55,702 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0